So this is Judeo-Christianity...Was Jesus really a "Jew" or "Judean"

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Ever wondered how the Zionists and the Christians get along together on a mutual agreed 'battlefield'...Read this thread from the Conservative Worldview run by JadeRebel and attempt to distinguish the Zionist from the Christian.

[Most 'young' Jews today(under 100 years of age)know absolutely NOTHING of what is recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures..the Old Testament(The Torah)..They have been "educated" from birth by the Rabbi in the Talmudic Laws(Halaka) and its very own man-made Religiosity..]..Troedyrhiw

[The countless Rabbi's since 200AD and their constant modification(to this very day)and interpretation of the laws on the Hebrew Scriptures contradicts(everywhere)the passages of the Old Testament..The Rabbi's theory is that Moses could not have possibly penned all that G_d has said,so he(Moses)had to tell the precepts(Rules of personal conduct).. orally.]..The 'oral'(The Talmud) supercedes the Five Books of Moses (or Pentateuch)in what today is called "Judaism" (Juda-ism)which is actually a word created(made-up) for Roman consumption by the Jewish General "Titus Flavius Josephus"(suicide winner) who survived and registered the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and captured by the Romans... ]
[He lived out the good rich life paid for by his captures..Titus is accused of treasonous deeds and also as an apologist for the Jews...He apparently never missed a Saturday Night on the Town when the Christians and the Lions came to town..said 'Pliny the Younger']..Troedyrhiw.
[Jesus had NEVER EVER heard the term "Jew".."Talmud" or "Judaism" , for it was this "oral" lecturing of the Pharisees and Essenes that got him mad as hell..The "Rabbi" was created at the end of the first century...about the time of Flavius Josephus.Through the second,third and fourth centuries the 'Rabbi' went from just one to hundreds,,Then the very first Talmud was produced in Babylon where most of the "Rabbi's lived" now called the "Babylonian Talmud",,which today consists of OVER 60 VOLUMES..A far cry from Moses original five
My goodness Moses must have had some enormous memory banks..and after chiseling all that stuff on the tablets.]..Troedyrhiw
[Apparently,through the passage of historical to modern times, the Rabbi's have crossed swords with G_d many times and refer to their "arguments" with the Almighty in parts of the Talmud..They boast of G_d apologising and of him accepting unfavourable judgments (criticism)]..There is no shame...Troedyrhiw

THIS sites host and writer(Troedyrhiw) has taken the handle "Nennius" on the Conservative Worldview Forum

Nennius's corrections(only) from original posts
1...Added comments to thread are in square brackets[-]
2...Nennius indicates deliberate errors in thread so as to assess the real intellect of said "Bible experts"..Deliberate errors are denoted with three asterisks ***
3...The phrase "3 years and 1 day indeed" is reference to a Talmudic explanation
dealing with "young children",which Nennius finds discusting.No one will attempt as yet to "explain" what may be a "misprint?
4...The part phrase "eventually crucified Jesus" had an excessive adjective..It has been deleted.
5...Reference to Flavius Josephus..Re the "Islam" word was phrased in that contempory period which is wrong.
6...All images inserted by Troedyrhiw

Here is an extract from Nennius
"Remember that the "Jews" were non-existant in that name until 1775AD with the amendment to first English translations( The Wiclif) in the 14th century which was finally completed in the KJV of 1516AD***...It is an English description of those that opposed and eventually crucified Jesus ..Google it and find out yourself if you are an unbeliever...At that time no cult or sect existed by such a name ..."jew"
Furthermore..Shakespeare wrote in the Merchant of Venice....(SHYLOCK.)... "What is the reason? I am a Iewe, hath not a Iewe eyes?" ..and that was the about the time the KJB was originally published.

From the 4th century Vulgate Latin "Iudaeus" and the Greek "Ioudaios" to the 18th century, English "jew" included called successively: "Gyu", "Giu", "Iu", "Iuu", "Ieuy", "Iuw", "Ieuu", "Iwe", "low", "Iewe", "Ive","Ieue", "Iue", "", "lew", and eventually in 1775, "Jew".
The earlier English translations for through 400AD were "Giwis", "Giws", "Geus", "Gyues", "Gywes", "Giwes", "Iuys", "Iows", "Iouis", "Iews", and then also finally in the 18th century, "Jews"...Old English to (say)Victorian English
As a sidebar and possibly extremely interesting...During the initial battles in 354AD between the invading Germanic AngloSaxons(the "English") and the Britons of Britain(the Welsh)...The Kymru(Welsh) of the mid 4th century actually referred to the English marauders as the Giwis or Gyues...Now that is quite an interesting snippet of Dark Age historical fact.

The people that killed Jesus were not the "Judeans" that follow the "Torath Yahve"(Torah)..but the Pharisees..aka Talmudic Zionists in todays's descriptive..So now you can see the rationale why some "Jews" cannot stand Zionists and the Talmudic Text of Hate and Incest (3 years and 1 day indeed).... Explain that to this Christian(to 156AD) please

The Judeans practiced "Judaism"..a word that the traitor Flavius Josephus provide to the Romans to distinguish it with Christianity and eventually Islam....Todays Zionist practices Pharisaism...the constantly rabbinical modified 'Babylonian' Talmud...Those that attempt to weld Talmud and Judaism together only invites scorn and the label "thief"... It is those Talmudic practices and the 63 Books(and increasing) that is the reason for your being thrown out of every country in the World....not the Torah abiding Jews..Yet the Torahical people have suffered these last two thousand years due to your genetic sickness. You are caught in the process of stealing the Judeans religious philosophy and using it for political and territorial gain..


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Jewish homes destroyed by Condi Rice

From:BeyondBabylo Feb-12 2:45 am
To: ALL(1 of 49)

Read and weep for the Israeli Jews of Gush Katif/Gaza, on whose behalf I wrote before their illegal expulsion by the bribed Ariel Sharon and criminal company working for foreign interests. Many of them remain homeless, depressed and basically abandoned by their lying government -- their former homes history, stripped bare and destroyed by marauding Arab enemies who are now fighting among themselves, one terrorist group (Hamas) against another terrorist group (Fatah), as the daily newspapers and television reports confirm.

Don't Expel Jews from Gaza!

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From:BeyondBabylo :Feb-13 6:43 am
To: ALL ;(2 of 49)

A reality-based editorial title for the terror unleashed against 8,000 Israeli men, women and children (simply because they are Jews), would be "Ethnic cleansing in Gaza," "Gaza to be made Judenrein," or "Sharon sells out Israel for foreign interests."

Moving Day in Gaza?

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From:Nennius1;Feb-14 3:25 am
To:BeyondBabylo (3 of 49)

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia :Quote.. "The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz...Krauss is of the opinion that in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim...About 92 percent of all Jews[today] or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim." ..end quote

Note!..Only decendants of Shem are "Semites"...see below from the Old Testament (the Jewish Torah)
Genesis 10:1-8... Quote
1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth....Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer....Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 And the sons of Javan,Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
6 And the sons of Ham,Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
7 And the sons of Cush,Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to..et al"
End quote

[The word "semite" is derived from the followers of Noah's eldest son "Shem" only..All sons and son of sons above are from Japeth and Ham..]

Suggest you get off their lands pronto...for it does not belong to you..Never has...Never will
I await your 2x4 smearing tactics and curses with yawning anticipation
If you are an Arab you can call be an anti-semite...else goodnight and goodluck.
Do not forget to debate this fact rationally(see dictionary)

Nennius..your nemenis

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From:BeyondBabylo;Feb-15 1:46 am
To:Nennius1(4 of 49)

You can take "opinions" as facts, and quote books of uninspired men, but the rest of us know better and go by THE BOOK.

Christian Zionists believe and support the fulfillment of the many prophecies that foretold the restoration of Jews from all over the world to the Promised Land of Israel.

Christian Zionists oppose those who would seek to undermine or destroy the Jewish Homeland for the myth of Palestine that is against the Word and Will of God.

Christian Zionists put many Jews and Israelis to shame, especially those who remain in a self-imposed exile contrary to the clear teachings of Judaism and those like Shimon Peres who are out in left field and would surrender Jerusalem to sworn enemies if the price is right.

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From:BeyondBabylon:Feb-15 1:47 am
To:ALL (5 of 49)

For a just and lasting peace in the Middle East, all the Jews and Arabs must do is honor Father Abraham's example and do as he did.

Peace Now. Arabs and Jews Must Go Their Separate Ways

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From:BeyondBabylon;Feb-15 1:49 am
To: Nennius1 (6 of 49)

The Myth of Palestine is easily exposed for those interested in the plain truth of the Bible and history.

Christian Zionists and Bible-believing Jews know that the Jewish Homeland was prophesied to be restored and that the Muslims who oppose it oppose the Word and Will of God, and their own Koran!

"The Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there. In addition, it is predicted that before the end of days, God will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of the Land, gathering them from the different countries and nations (Sura 17:104)

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From:Nennius1 Feb-16 1:04 am
To: BeyondBabylo (7 of 49)

Hi BB...................................(no not that Zionist guy)
"Beyond Babylon"...How much further do you think the land should extend to(Eretz-Kna'an)..Very interesting choice of moniker or is that a soubriquet..if you get the nuance.

your
"The Myth of Palestine is easily exposed for those interested in the plain truth of the Bible and history."... and ..."You can take "opinions" as facts, and quote books of uninspired men, but the rest of us know better and go by THE BOOK..."
Nennius says...."Joseph Farar"(your linkage) really needs to perform further study..A 'script kiddie' with 1 months study in religious instruction and geographic orientation could drive a "bull-dozer" through
'his facts' and thought process with argument...I suggest JF(whomever) put Google into 2nd gear and sift through the Net for ten mins.

ONE OF THOSE BOOKS you speak of..........Old Testament...Joel 3.4..."Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of PALESTINE ? will ye render me a recompence ? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;"

The latter part of this Joel 3.4 extract spoken to Joel,who just happens to be drunk at the time the Lord speaks to him, is a must read for all those Shoar Sharks that are ripping Germany and other countries apart.. financially...The precedent was set then.
Discretionary dictionaries defines "Palestine" as Canaan..Eden..Holy Land..

From the "Online Etymology Dictionary"
PALESTINE ..."from L. Palestina (name of a Roman province), from Gk. Palaistine (Herodotus), from Heb. Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines." Revived as a political territorial name 1920. "

They were..they are..they will be

Recapping...
Philistines are mentioned in
Genesis..21.32....21.34.....26.1 up to 26.18...total =7 times
Exodus...2 times
Joshau...2 times
Judges...31 times
Samuel..123 times
Kings.....6 times
Chronicles.29 times
Psalms....1 time..
Isaiah......3 times..
Jeremiah..3 times..
Ezekiel....4 times..
Amos......3 times..
Obadiah...1 time..
Zephaniah.25 times..
Zechariah..96 times..
These all Old Testament references....and Philistia 3 times..
So you see BB, the non-semitic Palestinians( Philistines) were very much prominent right from the beginning... Genesis
Their complete defragmentation,dispersment and marginalisation may have confused many bais religious minds through-out the passage of the historical ancients..The Palestinians were just as semitic as the 90% + Jews of today..Are the Zionists of the Christian Zionist partnership semitic or of another stripe??...So one can say that they[Palestinians] have been in the "Holy Land"...from day one

Your..
"For a just and lasting peace in the Middle East, all the Jews and Arabs must do is honor Father Abraham's example and do as he did."

Totally agree..This also applies to Jesus's Christians of this world...It is rationale to assume that 90% of Christians did not realise that the Arab(many) are decendants of Abe and his wife's handmaiden(Hagga) until the Internet came into fruition...This be the fault of Christian ministers and evangelists that perverted the Good Book by being their very own 'prophet'..... for their own profit and self interest..

"Christian Zionist"..Do you really not appreciate, that this would be the ultimate oxymoron.
The word "Zionist" is not even mentioned in the Old or the New Testament..It eventually came into being 600 hundreds years after the Jews who had been thrown out of the British Isle by Edward 1 because of blood rituals (alleged) and excessive usury which Edward was really responsible for..They were gone for almost 400 years ...Eventually they begged re-entry to Oliver Cromwell, who without committee approval gave them the okay while ignoring the outrage of the British Clergy and committe members...

I know that you may say that these are not the Jews that you necessarily represent or agree with..However(always one of these),within this cluster of immigrants,over the next few hundred years the immigrants( a few) formulated a political system that evolved into "Theodore Herzl and his cruel and despicable philosophy of "antisemitism" and stipulating maximum suffrage for the jewish people which led to the assassination and blackwash of everything Palestinian

Quote
"British Foreign Office.
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild.
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that

nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely

Arthur James Balfour"....end Quote

Note....The Zionist Chaim Weizmann, the first president of the state of Israel, was actually British.

The western "Zionists" (Herzl and Co) were out-maneuvered by the eastern "Zionist" Jew....the Bolshevik's ....who I should remind people were directly responsible for the deaths of over 20 million Russian CHRISTIANS and 7-10 million Ukraine's ..So where indeed is the honest relationship between the Zionist and the Christian...(See released Russian achives)..Honesty is Truth..Truth is the Lord is it not...
It is the very same Soviet Zionists(decendants of) that are currently bedding the Christians in a relationship that was doomed from the start...and only the Zionists and Christians leaders know that fact...But it provides them with authority, wealth and 'respect' within their communes.

Please be aware that the "Christian Zionist" (around 40 million), are primarily in the Southern US and represents a very small portion of all Christianity (1.3 Billion)...Do this not indicate some form of manipulation and brainwash by those that cannot exist in the greater scheme of events

Without malice or intent to injure

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com..
Do not go to this website if you are sensitive to political,religious,historical and literary criticism
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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-17 9:48 pm
To: Nennius1 (8 of 49)

You said:

"Without malice or intent to injure"

That was the part that made me chuckle.
At any rate, you've bought the lie that somehow majority makes right. It's a shame, really, because you obviously are well-read and are able to make your points concisely and clearly.

It was the Romans who coined the term "Palestinians" to refer to Jewish exiles. It wasn't until Arafat and the war in 1967 that the term meant anything else but Jews living in what was then called "Palestine." Go back and read any newspapers in the 40's and you will see exactly what I mean. Arab Muslims living in the land were referred as "Arab Muslims" or Jordanians.

If it matters to you, I'm not a Christian, so I'm not desiring to defend it. However, traditional Christianity has as its authority the bible, which has always taught that Abraham's first born with Hagar is Ishmael. It is incredulous that you would say that isn't taught, as it is there for everyone to see.

However, G-d's promise was through Abraham AND Sarah, not Hagar. Thus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to carry the promise, not Ishmael. This is reiterated through the Christian New Testament as well.

Shabbat Shalom..

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From: Nennius1 Feb-18 10:03 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (9 of 49)

I said:"Without malice or intent to injure"

your reply..
"That was the part that made me chuckle."

Pray tell the extent and textual influence for the injury that you found so hurtful ..More importantly,whatever would be the rationale for feeling that a "chuckle" would suffice to hide your pain or irony..Are you saying that there exists a nuanced agenda within the reply to BB

your..
"At any rate, you've bought the lie that somehow majority makes right. It's a shame, really, because you obviously are well-read and are able to make your points concisely and clearly."

The generalisation on the first part is NOT self explanatory??..The inductive reasoning in the second part is hearsay:-)....or maybe heresy:-))

your..
"It was the Romans who coined the term "Palestinians" to refer to Jewish exiles. It wasn't until Arafat and the war in 1967 that the term meant anything else but Jews living in what was then called "Palestine." Go back and read any newspapers in the 40's and you will see exactly what I mean. Arab Muslims living in the land were referred as "Arab Muslims" or Jordanians.

The Online Etymology Dictionary(in previous post) indicates this as a Province in its chronological listing.
I would remind you also(in previous post).
"British Foreign Office.
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild.
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:..
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that
nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country""...
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely

Arthur James Balfour"

I would also remind you that this was at the beginning of the 20th century..
Palestine was already there and very much in the news for many years... way before Arafat had a dream..The Arabs and the minority Jews were very contented (prior)..They lived next door to each other and visited the market places together and ate together..........until the BritJews and EuroJews broke yet another covenent.......This time with the Brits ...

No need to 'read 40's newspapers'..A relation was shot in the back in Jerusalem by Menachem Begin's Bandits...and no... the '40's newspapers did not tell the truth..The Brits were not forewarned at the hotel K-David...So the "40" are quite vivid in the memory banks..No need to troll Google.


your..
"If it matters to you, I'm not a Christian, so I'm not desiring to defend it. However, traditional Christianity has as its authority the bible, which has always taught that Abraham's first born with Hagar is Ishmael. It is incredulous that you would say that isn't taught, as it is there for everyone to see."

Just consider the USA for illustration purposes only, while it may apply to many other Western countries..Prior to Internet Technology how many understood that both Moses and Abraham were from Arab countries...How many Americans realise even today that the 101 Airborne and the 22nd SAS(Brits) ran through the 'town' in Iraq where Abraham was born .......1..2..3..4..??..
The religious teachers did not provide geography classes to their congregations..It was not taught until such time when parishioners started to ask questions...The ignorance of people is "incredulous "

your..
"However, G-d's promise was through Abraham AND Sarah, not Hagar. Thus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to carry the promise, not Ishmael. This is reiterated through the Christian New Testament as well."

This is the problem, in that the greater part of the people whose faith evolved within the Tanakh/OldTestament believes that the Almighty discontinued his promise to the Jewish peoples because of their sinful transgressions..The greater part of the Christian Community accepts this interpretation...The "re-iteration" is balanced by the "nuancing" within both bibles....Protestants and other factions of Christianity always wonder "whatever happened to Hagar"...after the book of Genesis...no word no trace..Was she marginalised.......History repeating itself ??

"Genesis 10...31-32..These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations......These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood."

From the Genesis passage,why would religious and historical and linguistic scholars even consider that there was only one land/nation and only one people

your..
"Shabbat Shalom"

Shavua Tov...and without a chuckle:-))

Nennius(WelshBrit).
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com.
Do not go to this website if you are sensitive to political, religious,historical and literary criticism

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-18 5:25 pm .
To: Nennius1 (10 of 49) ..

Your
"Pray tell the extent and textual influence for the injury that you found so hurtful"

Ah, but I already did: That you bought the lie.

Your
"This is the problem, in that the greater part of the people whose faith evolved within the Tanakh/OldTestament believes that the Almighty discontinued his promise to the Jewish peoples because of their sinful transgressions."

We can believe sharks can grow legs and swing from trees, but that doesn't make it so.

The BIBLE says God will NEVER forsake Israel and Judah. Jeremiah 31:

Jer 31:35-37..
35 Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; the LORD of hosts is His name:..
36 "If this fixed order departs from before me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever."..
37 Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done," declares the LORD.

Now, I can't speak for where you live, but here, the sun came up like usual, I haven't heard of someone visiting the end of the universe to measure it OR the center of the earth to see what it looks like. There were stars in the sky last night as well.

So from my biblical viewpoint, God has not abandoned Israel. Paul repeats this in Romans 9-11.

Your
"Prior to Internet Technology how many understood that both Moses and Abraham were from Arab countries."

Any child in Sunday school knows that Moses was born in Egypt and Abraham came from the land of Ur. To say they were from "Arab Countries" makes no sense since you are already teaching that "Arab Countries" came from Abraham.

You can't have it both ways. That is LITERALLY putting the cart before the horse.

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From: Jernigan Feb-18 6:39 pm
To: Nennius1 (11 of 49)

So far, everybody who studies this issue has pretty much successfully resisted the urge to employ reason ... and your reasoned post is likely to have the same fate.

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From: Nennius1 Feb-19 2:01 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (12 of 49)

your
"Any child in Sunday school knows that Moses was born in Egypt and Abraham came from the land of Ur. To say they were from "Arab Countries" makes no sense since you are already teaching that "Arab Countries" came from Abraham. "

Freud and Jung would call the above cerebral struggle as "Seeding Adolescency with Reflective Imagery ".. meaning the explanation for the "picture" is deliberately omitted.

If you peer searchingly into the structure of the replies to your posts,you will find at least nine specific areas where compromise is inherent in the intentional design of grammatical construction.
Apparently you failed to identify these important "nodes" of intellectual sincerity..A Rabbi you will never be..

However..(another one of these)..Your attempt at galatic and astronomical drollery and waggery is not lost on the fact that you are unwittingly and unknowingly encroaching into one of this writers 'strengths' and specialities... Nevertheless I will let it be, for no satisfaction can be worth the scourge of cognitive psychology.

Advice(see dictionary)..
Compromise is the essence of peace,understanding and liberty..Comedy must be left to Jay Leno and Letterman..If something in the website(below)has upset you..You were warned.........then I apologise

Good luck and Goodnight Barabbas......and goodbye[but she didn't go].......ooops sorry Barbara

Nennius (WelshBrit...Christian up to and including 156AD...and not a day longer.)..
Canada..
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com..
Do not go to this website if you are sensitive to political, religious, historical and literary criticism


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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-19 3:04 am
To: Nennius1 (13 of 49)

Your
"Freud and Jung would call the above cerebral struggle as "Seeding Adolescency with Reflective Imagery ".. meaning the explanation for the "picture" is deliberately omitted."

I can't tell you how little I care what they would or wouldn't have said :)

Your
"A Rabbi you will never be.."

Ya think? I actually know a few female rabbis, however. But I'm confident I'll never be a rabbi, a brain surgeon or highway patrolman. In fact, I could take up a LOT of space telling you what all I'd never be.

However, I do love the Lord My God with all my heart, my might and my strength and my neighbor as myself. Key points in my theological system :)

Youy
"If you peer searchingly into the structure of the replies to your posts,you will find at least nine specific areas where compromise is inherent in the intentional design of grammatical construction."

Oh, goody! Instead of addressing my points, you wish to diagram my sentences.

Your
"Good luck and Goodnight........and goodbye Barabbas.... .........ooops sorry Barbara"

Of course! When you can't stand the heat...we all know why you are blowing me off. BTW, "Barabbas" means "son of the father." I'm happy to be called a "Child of the Father" but I don't fit the qualifications for a son.

Shalom

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From: Nennius1 Feb-19 4:10 am ..
To: Jernigan (14 of 49) ..

Hi Jernigan

I hear you loud and clear...
Indeed, many others have probably unknowingly attempted to drum honest logic into the mindsets of the "Barbaras" of this struggling world of ours and presumably get quite saddened at the nihilistic delusionary attitude to events that are actually materialising around their fat work-shy asses.

My excursions around the forums is really to establish where these "placers" have been positioned,who they are and possibly find a connection with some external group or company that benefits from their "conversational " subversive activities..It is not as differcult as some would believe....
"Barbara" is a pussy cat in comparison to others encountered..
As you already are aware,"they" have been showing up in the forums for many years now....If I have an agenda,then it is overt and spelled out..

They normally work in packs of three or more..Very structured...just like Wikipedia.com and PayPal..
Hope there are no "Little Red Riding Hoods" in the Con-Worldview forum here:-))

Take care

Nennius

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From: Jernigan Feb-19 5:57 am
To: Nennius1 (15 of 49)

Barbara is the only person on this forum I have on ignore at this time ... D610 and mrsammo1 having thankfully departed to haunt some other house. I can't comment on her recent posts 'cause I don't read 'em.

On most religious subjects, especially Bible study, I just don't know enough about it to get too involved ... it all seems pretty clear to me & I have been unable to find a single instance where I am commanded by Christ to hate anybody. But then, like I said, I'm really not a student of it .... I can't even find a place where I'm required to curse and rage at people who disagree with me - but:

\you knew there'd be a but/

I wrangle and rage politically with great enthusiasm ... it isn't like I'm going to have political power anyway ... and those who follow the forum for any time learn what my hobby-horses are and discount as they feel best.

I also dislike the grandiose political lie: you know: like global warming being proven to be caused by man (or even proven to be happening at all) ... the benign nature of homosexuality ... 911 conspiracies ... and those who make fun of those of us who wear conical aluminum headgear to protect ourselves from alien mind rays.

Things like that & people who shout at dogs and make them feel inferior.

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From: Nennius1 Feb-19 7:07 am
To: BeyondBabylon (16 of 49)

BB..you deviant devil of dark dangers..
Are you aware that you have a journalistic competitor...
Of course you do

Can you remember cutting and pasting this little extract(as above)

Quote
"You can take "opinions" as facts, and quote books of uninspired men, but the rest of us know better and go by THE BOOK.

Christian Zionists believe and support the fulfillment of the many prophecies that foretold the restoration of Jews from all over the world to the Promised Land of Israel.

Christian Zionists oppose those who would seek to undermine or destroy the Jewish Homeland for the myth of Palestine that is against the Word and Will of God.

Christian Zionists put many Jews and Israelis to shame, especially those who remain in a self-imposed exile contrary to the clear teachings of Judaism and those like Shimon Peres who are out in left field and would surrender Jerusalem to sworn enemies if the price is right."...end Quote

OF COURSE YOU CAN

AND BELOW..
This is a "DavidBenAriel" at the LibertyForum... thread is "Celtic-Israelite Commonalities"..Post 295265124.... http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php

Old Ben is stirring up trouble against the Irish of all people....and with the long discounted "10 Lost Tribes" introductionary initial posting narrative..I think that your group should be reprimanded for attempting to con the LF guys...Will you guys ever learn..You are supposed to be the superior peoples are you not..Give them some proof.

Old Ben(with conviction and cunning..sez) ..
"I'm sure there are Christian Zionist among the Cornish.

Christian Zionists believe and support the fulfillment of the many prophecies that foretold the restoration of Jews from all over the world to the Promised Land of Israel.

Christian Zionists oppose those who would seek to undermine or destroy the Jewish Homeland for the myth of Palestine that is against the Word and Will of God.

Christian Zionists put many Jews and Israelis to shame, especially those who remain in a self-imposed exile contrary to the clear teachings of Judaism and those like Shimon Peres who are out in left field and would surrender Jerusalem to sworn enemies if the price is right."

END OF PLAGIARISED WORK

Suggest you phone your lawyer and bring the plagiarism charge against..
"David Ben Ariel"...He uses the same links as you...tut tut

There is no truth in the rumour that the Brits has offered Ireland(N&S)to the Christian Zionists...Bono and the Rev Ian Paisley vetoed the bill....Tony Blair will be looking for a kibbutz next week..Do you want his phone number

See you and your mates(pathetic).......around..
Regards to Barabbas and Judas and Annas and Caphias

Goodnight and Good Luck

Nennius..
Ps...Do you know how much the American taxpayer had to fork out to those 8000 jews to get out of GAZA...Last offer on 13 June 2006 was US$320,000 EACH..Market value of existing homes averaged out to US$85,000...Tell that to the those poor black people down in New Orleans..Rumour has it... that is where the other half of the billions of dollars went....To the Gaza jews..

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Feb-19 6:20 pm ..
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (17 of 49) ..

your
Of course! When you can't stand the heat...we all know why you are blowing me off. BTW, "Barabbas" means "son of the father." I'm happy to be called a "Child of the Father" but I don't fit the qualifications for a son. ..
Hate to interrupt while you're talking to two blowhard idiots, but you have been adopted as a "son" with all the attended rights thereof.

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From: Nennius1 Feb-21 3:00 am
To: Jernigan (18 of 49)

Venue:- Sanhedrin..
Date:- 2007..
Trial:- A Christian in the Magicians den

Magic to Calhoun.
"I believe you will find that you have been a sloppy reader of many verses in the Bible. Instead of letting the Word speak for himself, you are letting "philosophers" you have read speak into or for it."

and then the hypocritical Freudian slip of the keyboard..
"Yes, I see it. I don't see how I can be both honest and pretend I don't know exactly what the Book has to say on virtually every significant issue. "

and still not seeing the keyboard error Magic sez..
"Had you the sense to approach me as a seeker rather than an "expert", you might learn something useful." Who is this braggart and vaunter "Magic"....Does (s)he strike you as a real follower of Jesus/Moses with this satanic,diabolical and unholy communicative flair for acknowledgment...That would be a explicit non.
Why would a "believer"(read covert operator) call 'itself' by a known Illuminatti philosophical image .."Magic"......Is '(s)he' or isn't '(s)he'...you decide.

then .
"You are ignorant of scripture, yet you feel you should be my teacher on the matter. Can't you see how absurd that is? "..
and then with a false sense of superior motive..
"As I often say, "Liberals are entitled to their own opinions; they are not entitled to their own facts."

This is the classical showdown that Jesus himself experienced when confronted in the Sanhedrin 1973 years ago....
This posting could not have been scripted any better if Matthew,Mark Luke and John were Conservative Worldview members..The very same trial by error and smear runs rampant in Magic's bursts of malicious,venomous and vitriolic vengeance...
In replying, AJCalhoun applies Jesus's first law of forgiveness..like a true spirited Christian .. Just a wonderful response that has the prophets and Jesus cheering in the aisle...Calhoun turns the other cheek and replies in a manner that probably is quite foreign to the Magician (and shakes the Devil Magic to its foundation)

"As for your certain knowlege that the Baptist and Jesus has all their differences worked out is remarkable. I feel as though I am in the very presence of the Master and Lord and have been set straight. Yes, I can see it now. You are Him aren't you, and I am one of the army of the Beast. I see. Well "all hail the pow'r of Jesus' name, let angels prostrate fall." I didn't recognize you at first. My bad. Finally, I did not come here as an "expert", but someone looking for discussion, not necessarily to learn a specific "truth" from you, but to find more truth in that Space Between us, that space where the holy spirit is born out of a relationship between two or more gathered in His name...not yours. Instead I found a poisoned river. I am sorry. Terribly, terribly sorry. I will excuse myself now and trouble you no more."
This manner of humanitarianism is EXACTLY what Jesus was/is attempting to instill into people...For it is righteous and it is virtuous...and it is good

This was from Magic to "Barabbas" in response to this writer(Nennius) and Jernigan discussing Barbara's qualifications..This is NOT the vocabulary of Jewish and Christian peoples.

"Hate to interrupt while you're talking to two blowhard idiots"

One will notice that none of these Christian Zionists/Zionists have really attempted to prove the writer wrong..There is two deliberate(simple) induced errors set within the text....yet the three sayanims[Magic..Barbara and BeyondBabylon] cannot pull them out into the open..Knowledge is their undoing .....obviously

Can you imagine Magic's response to this post..There can be a sincere apology to Calhoun...or an appeasement..or its going to get even better? by Magic's keyboard getting worse

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com

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From: Jernigan Feb-21 11:37 pm
To: Nennius1 (19 of 49)

I trust Magic and Calhoun are MORE than capable of stating their own positions

... neither require my aprobaton or applause ... and I don't need the grief of getting into THAT slanging match - I don't even really understand WHAT the source of contention is really about.

I have enough trouble just riding my own hobby horses ... so long as they stay away from the discouraging word about 'we who wear the aluminum cone for mental purity'

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From: JimmyLou Feb-24 2:04 am
To: BeyondBabylo unread (20 of 49)

Whether we're discussing ancient Israel or not, the fact remains that Israel was and is a legitimate state who's settlers legitimately settled in and around the Palestine region well after the Six-Day war where Israel decimated its Golithic Arab neighbors militaries.

Ironically, the illegitimate squatters are, and have been, the very exiled Arab refugees being told that Israel is occupying their land. Their is no, and never has been, a legitimate Paletine state which means there is no such thing as a Palestinian. These so-called Palestinians don't exist, and never have, despite what instigators like the late, great, and forever barbecuing Arab-exile Arafat espoused to them...

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-24 4:34 pm
To: Magic (MICHAEL4440) (21 of 49)

I don't have the right parts for a son :)

I am "Bat Zion" - a daughter of Zion :)


Edited 2/24/2007 11:35 am by Barbara (BARBARA3)

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Feb-25 3:33 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (22 of 49)

See Ephesians 1:4-5 and Galatians 3:26-29.
We have been adopted as sons, and there is neither Greek nor Jew, male nor female. We are all one in Messiah.


Magic.

"If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons."

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-25 3:50 am ..
To: Magic (MICHAEL4440) (23 of 49) ..

Well...

While I agree in the spiritual aspects that we are all equal in Messiah, I believe that passage is a bit more complex, because we don't suddenly become sexless when coming to faith. We still have marriage between a man and a woman, we still have nationalities. Only women can give birth, only men can father.

So while we are united in faith, our faith is not separate from the physical. God chose to create the physical.

Thanks.

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Feb-25 4:35 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (24 of 49)

Merely stating your legal rights. You are adopted as a son, full inheritance, no difference in status. Also, you can disinherit a birth child, but not an adopted child. ..
Nothing sexual, asexual, physical, or even emotional intended.


Magic.

"If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons."

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From: Nennius1 Feb-25 6:11 am ..
To: JimmyLou (25 of 49) ..

Do you know how much the American taxpayer had to fork out to those 8000 jews to get out of GAZA...Last offer on 13 June 2006 was US$320,000 EACH..Market value of existing homes averaged out to US$85,000...Tell that to the those poor black people down in New Orleans..Rumour has it... that is where the other half of the billions of dollars went....To the Gaza jews ..

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From: JadeRebel Feb-25 3:44 pm
To: Nennius1 (26 of 49)

No American citizen likes foreign aid to anyone, including Louisiana.

Conservative Worldview


A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back...

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From: RayP24 Feb-25 9:08 am
To: BeyondBabylo (27 of 49)

It is no accident that the Jewish people have been hated thrue out there history.

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From: BeyondBabylo Feb-28 5:06 am
To: ALL (28 of 49)

Imagine -- God forbid -- Bush blathering we can no longer prevent illegal aliens from taking over the Southwest, so in order to have "peace" with Mexico, we must expel the law-abiding and productive Americans living there and surrender their homes and property and businesses to Mexicans before they start terrorizing the rest of the United States to create their new homeland called Atzlan. After all, we seized those territories with superior force and must now return them to right an alleged wrong. Don't be surprised if our government rewards illegal immigration and the madness goes that far, as part of the curse we're suffering for disobedience to our Great Creator God (Deut. 28:43, Dan. 9:11).

Don't Expel Jews from Gaza!

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From: Nennius1 Mar-3 6:42 am
To: JadeRebel (29 of 49)

"No American citizen likes foreign aid to anyone, including Louisiana"

Especiallly those 37 million below the poverty line.(today's figure)
I suspect you are of the opinion that that "aid" is out of the goodness of the American Governments heart without any strings attached..America has SURVIVED ONLY because of that aid..Welcome to the real world..Your "Capitalism"(Jewish Usuary) has broken the back(bank)of the once proud USA...ask the rest of the World yourself

I think it was Britney Spears who once said... " Yes I like going overseas especially to Canada"....Your comment can be similarly classified as Oooops I did it again:-))..Foreign aid to Louisiana??

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From: Nennius1 Mar-3 7:02 am
To: BeyondBabylo unread (30 of 49)

BB

Dig out the George Patton books from the library or read on line.
You will find that after World War 2(Patton was in charge),the Jews of Europe compelled the US Government to throw millions of Germans out of their homes so that they the Jews could live in them(which they did)...
Patton hated the Jews with a vengeance and attempted to bring the Germans and their Army back to the brilliant fighting force(his words)it was once in order to stop the Communists and Jews from Russia taking over Hungary,Poland etc.
Patton quit and a month later he was dead.
You really should read his letters to his wife and his dairies and only then you will have your answers.

You have the very same happening now with Mexico...Look no further than your Zionist Jewish friends for the planned cause.
Quoting the Bible will not solve this problem.. For Jesus did not promise you material riches..Act like a Christian and find a solution and stop complaining


From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-3 6:28 pm
To: Nennius1 (31 of 49)

I take it you are not a Christian?

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From: Nennius1 Mar-4 6:04 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (32 of 49)

You take it quite accidently..Read my posts and the number 156 will take your attention..ARAB-RAB..You really are backward you know.
Why would you take a Shiite name Barbara???

nennius
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-4 4:42 pm
To: Nennius1 (33 of 49)

Ah, so basically, you are here to insult, ridicule and cause trouble for those of us who love the G-d of Israel :)

Got it.

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-4 4:42 pm
To: Spring is Coming (Shamrock1971) (34 of 49)

You might wanna read post #32 in this thread.

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From: Nennius1 Mar-13 11:45 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (35 of 49)

I said this
"Why would you take a Shiite name "Barbara"???"

Then you say this
".....you are here to insult, ridicule..et al"

Now look at those two sentences and ask yourself WHO is showing
"insult" and "ridicule".. Hypocracy of the First Order to a Semitic Shiite

You being a Talmudian Zionist 'Jew'...aka Pharisitic,should be remindful that you do not HAVE a G_d anymore..You forfeited your right to goodness and truth,the day you visited the taverns and whorehouses of Sodom,Gomorrah,Hollywood/Vine and Tel Aviv...Now make yourself comfy and learn something..




Remember[NEVER FORGET] that the "Jews" were non-existant in that name until 1775AD with the amendment to first English translations( The Wiclif) in the 14th century which was finally completed in the KJV of 1516AD*** ...It is an English description of those that opposed and eventually crucified Jesus ..Google it and find out yourself if you are an unbeliever...At that time no cult or sect existed by such a name ..."jew"
Furthermore..Shakespeare wrote in the Merchant of Venice....(SHYLOCK.)... "What is the reason? I am a Iewe, hath not a Iewe eyes?" ..and that was the about the time the KJB was originally published.

From the 4th century Vulgate Latin "Iudaeus" and the Greek "Ioudaios" to the 18th century, English "jew" included called successively: "Gyu", "Giu", "Iu", "Iuu", "Ieuy", "Iuw", "Ieuu", "Iwe", "low", "Iewe", "Ive","Ieue", "Iue", "", "lew", and eventually in 1775, "Jew".
The earlier English translations for through 400AD were "Giwis", "Giws", "Geus", "Gyues", "Gywes", "Giwes", "Iuys", "Iows", "Iouis", "Iews", and then also finally in the 18th century, "Jews"...Old English to (say)Victorian English
As a sidebar and possibly extremely interesting...During the initial battles in 354AD between the invading Germanic AngloSaxons(the "English") and the Britons of Britain(the Welsh)...The Kymru(Welsh) of the mid 4th century actually referred to the English marauders as the Giwis or Gyues...Now that is quite an interesting snippet of Dark Age historical fact.

The people that killed Jesus were not the "Judeans" that follow the "Torath Yahve"(Torah)..but the Pharisees..aka Talmudic Zionists in todays's descriptive..So now you can see the rationale why some "Jews" cannot stand Zionists and the Talmudic Text of Hate and Incest (3 years and 1 day indeed).... Explain that to this Christian(to 156AD) please

The Judeans practiced "Judaism"..a word that the traitor Flavius Josephus provide to the Romans to distinguish it with Christianity and eventually Islam....Todays Zionist practices Pharisaism...the constantly rabbinical modified 'Babylonian' Talmud...Those that attempt to weld Talmud and Judaism together only invites scorn and the label "thief"... It is those Talmudic practices and the 63 Books(and increasing) that is the reason for your being thrown out of every country in the World....not the Torah abiding Jews..Yet the Torahical people have suffered these last two thousand years due to your genetic sickness. You are caught in the process of stealing the Judeans religious philosophy and using it for political and territorial gain

Your "class" is now on the skids of time..Your "time" is nigh..Your visibility is at a maximum..Your have overstepped the covertness that Herzl was so concerned about..You are naked...Just as Jesus was when the Pharisees put him on THAT cross.

Just for the record..assuming of course that you linguistic gene in in gear....the Vulgate Latin and Greek translation on THAT cross was... "Jesus the Nazarene Ruler of the Judeans" AND NOT "Jesus..King of the Jews"....again I suggest you do some research and try to keep an open mind as the truth is hestitant when fronted with a closed door....It is you that will be aggravated if the truth slaps you on the cheek and you just get annoyed with it..

The Russian people have been quite informative over the last 17 years and thanks to them the US of A will survive anything that you will be permitted to throw at them..from here in.....Putin is always on the phone apparently

Without malice or intent to injure...of course

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com
Edited 3/19/2007 11:36 pm by Nennius1

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-13 11:47 pm
To: Nennius1 (36 of 49)

I always put Jew haters like you on ignore. Please don't waste any more time posting to me.

I'm not sure why you hate Jews, but you may want to remember you equate the Jewish Jesus with that hatred.

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[1..That took an extremely long time to get that "Jew Haters" tag]
[2..Jade Rebel is site owner]
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From: JadeRebel Mar-14 11:36 pm
To: Nennius1 (37 of 49)

With tongue firmly in cheek I did metaphor those in NO[New Orleans]. However, foreign aid to other countries is not in our best interest as the pols claim. You can not buy good will, but you can buy deep resentment with patronizing American money.

And when the state attempts to use MY money to create land out of the depths of the seas, that does constitute 'foreign aid'.

Conservative Worldview

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From: Nennius1 Mar-15 3:46 am
To: JadeRebel (38 of 49)

Agree somewhat
Where would the US of A be today IF THEY HAD NOT provided the victors "Britain" with the cash to buy the US of A's tanks and other weapons of destruction...and then after the war lend money to any European country and the Soviet Union that was prepared to pay the going interest rate..
Where would they be today if they had not "bribed" the best Engineers,Physicists and Scientists that Britain, Italy and Germany had
after BOTH WARS(My uncle was one of them)...Maybe we should look at the "Pork" that slithers down those Congressional steps to Companies that are NOT EVEN American.......I regret deeply that the USA is now but a shadow of itself....It started in Vietnam and it is still suffering the decline into a police state..
Save your country..then save your faith...For you need both to save its people..Its all in the History books

I could go on and on here ,but I must take "Barabas"(Babs) to task for trying to tell me that Jesus was a Jew indeed...
I know exactly what is going through your mind at this very instant JR...and that is why I will not fall into a "Daisy II"
What you have on your forum is a group of 'sayanims' ..There are 4-5 that uses the same computer..(maybe two computers in the same room)
I believe this is your site JR..If so, look at your stats and research the IP's of email addresses and connection passages.
They do not appear to be very effective.. after my "machine" reading of over 1400 of the messages from different catergories

Your.."...create land out of the depths of the seas"
Are you talking about New Orleans...The Alaskan Bridge to Nowhere ....or Atlantis :-))

Nennius
Ps Tell 'Barabas' that my brother-in-law is a nice Yiddish guy...and I love the kid like my own...That is the difference between so many Christians on your site and those(Babs and Covertees) that are attempting to subvert and take advantage of the compassion, truth and love that is inherent in the name ...."Jesus"

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:21 am
To: Nennius1 (39 of 49)

It was the Lend/Lease program which enabled England to 'buy' our military equipment. A program which I only just discovered a few months ago involved England surrendering every national treasure it owned with the exception of the Crown Jewels. We also extracted a heavy price for our munitions from other nations.

Here I thought we were helping the oppressed fight off the forces of an evil unparalleled in the annals of history. Instead I learned our government bled them dry. I am not so sure I approved.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:27 am
To: Nennius1 (40 of 49)

And the fact that we boded no expense in attaining the greatest minds of the day, it was certainly not a philanthropic endeavor. The 'leaders' were looking to increase their own fortunes, be it financial and/or presumption of prestige in attaining power in the worlds mightiest nation. The American people would be the leaders of the world in all aspects of society if we removed all pols and had lay person in office only.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:32 am
To: Nennius1 (41 of 49)

If Jesus was not a Jew, what in the devil was he. A Cheesehead.

As for the members of the forum, I take great pride in allowing everyone to express their individual views. I have learned much over the years from engaging others, and I enjoy it. There are posters here with whom I vehemently disagree. But I find myself endeared to them all. That is what makes MY day much brighter than sitting here all alone condescending to suffer them.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: Nennius1 Mar-15 8:21 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (42 of 49)


Babs

"Jew Haters"
You mean the Jew Hates me??..Me..me a G_d fearing Christian....Jesus taught me to NEVER HATE ANYONE..and I trust his word because I read his book...But is that really your conclusion.??????
You.....you anti-semite :-)

Are you one of the 90%+ Ashkenazi(East European) or Sephardic(Judean) or Ultra Orthodox or just a Gadna...Have a look in your Teudat Zehut....
I am Christian(up to 156AD)
Why is it so differcult for your "creed"(Religion uncertain) to think up a geniune rebuttal of that which is angering you..If you can convince this writer that my facts are wrong..then strength to you Bro..


If you cannot use the rabbinical method of reversable charge and countercharge then do what you have been taught to do...give it to someone else to argue for you..Talmudical at 14 years old..

Now less of the silly and quite juvenile slurs and name calling my dear friendly Zionist and get one of those 63 Books out and find out your position in argument when you are confronted by the details of FACTS..It is all there.
And then be prepared for a lengthy rebuttal...You can be the Devil's Advocate if you prefer :-))

Nennius

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From: Nennius1 Mar-15 11:36 am
To: JadeRebel (43 of 49)

JR

your
".....which enabled England to 'buy' our military equipment...et al"

You mean Britain of course..The Brits Forces at that time,by percentage ratio of country,was composed of 20% Irish..30% Scottish..30% Welsh and 20% English ..but obviously the bulk were English and from Commonwealth Countries.


your
"...If Jesus was not a Jew, what in the devil was he. A Cheesehead..et al."

See my post to Babs... re the origin of the word "Jew"...The facts of that post always brings out the anger that flushes through the veins of every Talmudic believer..The TRUTH really does hurt at times and I fully understand that emotional collapse..

As already said...Ashkenazim Jews represents over 90% of all jews in the world today and none of them or their descendants are from the Holy Land..They are/were,principally, from(as you should know) Russia-Ukraine-Poland and Germany . However, the Sephardics Jews ARE from Caanan,yet they are regarded today by the Ashkenazi Zionists Jews as part of the lower class in the Holy Land(Canaan)...
In Israel today, an Ashkenazim marrying a Sephardic is frowned upon....Google this.and relate

NEVER FORGET..(Just remember) that this word "Jew" was ORIGINALLY applied by the Brits in the 18th century in the English language in their Revised KJV Bible Texts and Encyclopedias and there were NO Sephardic Judeans in Britain and/or Europe...
The Brits applied it ONLY to Eastern Europeans that had taken the faith of Judiasm in the 8th century as a political move so that the King of the Khazars would not anger the many Muslim and Christian peoples of that period ..He brought many Rabbis from Mesopotamia for the purpose of religious education.

Yet the Brits were totally aware in the 18th century that Palestinians and JUDEANS lived and worked side by side in what was called Palestine..There were no "Jews" in Palestine in the 18th century...Google this.and relate it to the 18th century

So if one wants to assume by default of convenience but lacking in Religious and Historical Truth and accuracy that Jesus was also an Ashkenazi and thereby a "Jew"..then one should heed the warnings of Matthew...
This is one of the biggest mistakes that Evangelical Christians are making today....They are supporting the "wrong jew crowd"

Jesus was a Judean and studied the Torah...Jesus was not a Jew for they studied the Talmud
Semantics..I really do not think so..He that says so,is afraid of the implications in todays world..Truth can be subjected to euthanasia..but one cannot kill it.
There should be NO AFFECT on a person's religious belief, for the only mistake that they may have made is that they got off the bus at the wrong stop....and now the hard slog in walking home...But the Lord will guide those footsteps this time.

This simple fact of truth in historical revisionism is understandable extremely differcult to live with or digest...It does not however excuse us from seeking that Truth..
Honesty is Truth..Truth is the Lord ..is it not
The most worrying aspect of all this "functioning religious" allegiance to Israel is that the brainwashing is complete and has to be leached from the mindset...That could be quite unmanageable .
Maybe a thousand Psychologists and Psychopharmacologists could work out a solution:-)

your
" A program which I only just discovered a few months ago involved England surrendering every national treasure it owned with the exception of the Crown Jewels"

You mean "Britain" of course" :-))
That is what I refer to when I said "Where would they be today if they had not "bribed" the best Engineers,Physicists and Scientists that Britain, Italy and Germany had after BOTH WARS(My uncle was one of them)..." Treasure trove of Humanity and Technology

My uncle had told my dad that 227 Engineers and Scientists and Physicists were being put on a plane and being shipped to the USA for 1 to 2 years (with all the Atomic Bomb secrets)as per agreement of 19th March 1941...signed by Winston Churchill...
They were paid 60% of their US colleges salaries ..The remaining 40% was to be deducted from the outstanding balance of the IOU...The British Empire collapsed immediately...The British Public found out about the selling out of the Country and kicked Churchill out after the war was over.

Bush may be your worst President ever...Churchill was most certainly ours...and the Kurds(gassings) and residents of Dresden(incendiary bombing)can confirm this

your
"Here I thought we were helping the oppressed fight off the forces of an evil unparalleled in the annals of history. Instead I learned our government bled them dry. I am not so sure I approved. "

Victors should never be allowed to write the Historical accounts of their conflicts...just as Presidents should never be allowed Libraries:-))...Apparently Mr Bush has "saved" over $0.5 Billion already..Now how the hell did he come into that type of cashflow...Guess

your
"The American people would be the leaders of the world in all aspects of society if we removed all pols and had lay person in office only."

Wishful thinking dear JR..The same could be said for Britain Germany ,while Russia today,believe it or not has more freedom for her citizens than the Brits,Yanks or the Huns..Differcult seed to swallow but it is the truth
Why....because they got rid of their Ashkenazi's ..What the US did to Britain..the Russians and Chinese are doing to the US of Pay...It think its called $Friendly Fire$..:-))

Take care

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com
Edited 3/15/2007 6:40 am by Nennius1

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:47 pm
To: Nennius1 (44 of 49)

Geneologica semantics are a good subject for discussion, but they hardly reflect reality. Christ was a Jew born to Jewish parents. Not that it matters beyond the need to fulfil the prophetic aspects of his mission, he could have been born a loony hippie and remained the ranson paid for our souls.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: Nennius1 Mar-19 7:13 am
To: JadeRebel (45 of 49)

"Geneologica semantics".
Your reply appears so curt and casual as to wonder if your apprehensiveness to discuss is one of limited knowledge on the investigative subject of religious truth..The tools are there for all to use

Indeed, your assertion that Jesus is of the same "breed" as the Ashkenazim is quite unforgivable..There "lies" your conflict..The Ashkenazis were a murderous tribe from the Khazarian area of Ukraine, Russia and Poland .....and I know YOU know that
Come to grips with it now, for you will knowingly corrupt that which is the truth for your children and your children's children..

Totally agree with the "hippy" Jesus scenario..You are however, completely missing the dire warnings of Matthew in his "disguise" innuendos.

Lets recap
Jesus was a Judean born to Judian parents who lived in Judea ..Jesus was taught Judaism

The Hebrew word for Spain is "Sephardim" ...The Hebrew word for Germany.is Ashkenazim"
Ashkenazim Jews(the vast majority of Jews) are from Germany and France .and have no religious connection whatsoever with the Biblical Ashenazi..
Sephardim Jews are from Portugal and Spain... and the Mizrachim are of Northern African and the Middle Eastern decent..Both are of
the Sephardic tribe

For your spiritual proposition to stand the historical test of time and truth ,then there is a need to disassociate the "Ashkenazim" from the "Jew" peg and then you can call Jesus a jew...or specifically differentiate the meaning of "Judean" and "Jew"..You perpetuate the lie by ignoring the facts on the ground ..Possibly because it may mean upsetting the local Pastor and/or having to perform a minor rewrite of the KJB

I notice that you cannot seem to expand on or clarify the originality of the term "Jew"...Let me know when you are able to present an argument and not 18th century Zionist rhetoric...By using the correct interpretation of that which is staring people in the face...the Christian peoples have nothing whatsoever to trouble themselves with, if they really are of the Christian spirit...only to forgive those that has trespassed.."the Jews"

And what may be the cause of all this conflict today you may ask......GOOGLE ...
The teachers of the past have been passing down their interpretation of what they have been taught by other teachers who...et al... etc..etc
Now, the man in the street can access all that man requires to feel inwardly comfortable with truth and that it may have some semblance of truth with what the historical archivist's treasures hold..

With that firmly in mind, can I assume that you understand the rationale for the plundering,stealing and destruction of the Iraqis Museums in the first 3 weeks of GW2 in 2003...and not by American Troops either, but people who fully comprehended the importance of ancient manuscripts and artifacts and how they really reflect on the three religions of today..Christianity Judaism and Islam..

Are you prepared to make this a two-way conversation..Yes or No

Nennius
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Mar-19 7:50 am
To: Nennius1 (46 of 49)

I think Ninny is spelled with an "i", not an "e".
OTH, calling yourself some form of ninny opens you to charges of delusions of grandeur


Magic

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From: JadeRebel 1:01 am
To: Nennius1 (47 of 49)

My understanding of the designation of "jew'' is the same as the bible. The descendants of Adam and Eve to the savior. Easy peasie when one is not promoting an agenda.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: Nennius1 4:58 am
To: Magic (MICHAEL4440) unread (48 of 49)

The Magician pops up...good

Now your first reply is in order ...."Zionist Rule #1".
Hope to G_d that "Zionist Rule #2" is much smarter....else back to the "3 years plus a day" Talmud.

You have just THREE attempts at smearing etc....You do know that I hope.

Nennius

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From: Nennius1 6:40 am
To: JadeRebel unread (49 of 49)

Why this feebleness in entering a discussion that cannot/will not compromise the good word of the Christine Bible..What worries you JR..
The Bible that you refer to was amended specifically to include the "Jew" word in the 18th century...I can understand your shock at this sudden exposure to historical fact..But truth must be orderly else the young will never learn the truth about Jesus..The Christian faith is safe...
Sift it over many times in your mind and ensure that you can be comfortable with it...else throw it out....
Google and more Google, for this is an important milestone intrusion into your and many others religious beliefs..
KJB and the word "Jew"

John did not put it there..
Mark did not put it there..
Matthew did not put it there..
Luke did not put it there...

Neither did ...Augustine....Bede....Caradoc....Linus....King Henry the 4th,7th or 8th(16th century KJB financiers)....Richard III...Moses... David.. Solomon...Rabbi Bernstein... Canute.... Beowulf....King Alfred...Luther....Hengist.... Gildas ...Josephus.... Bran......or any of the historical Popes...
The outcast and lonely Ashkenazis of the 18th century put it there, so as to fraudulently associate themselves with what they knew were the people of Israel..
They did not do it from ignorance..They fully understood the Talmud better than any other ..
Ask yourself the question...Why did so many Teutonic devout Brits and Germans of the Christian faith leave to find a new beginning in the Americas in the 17th and 18th centuries.....King George was mad??...I don't think so...
I can fully understand and agree with your apprehension in seeing the KVB revised...For they would not be able to resist the introduction of "Religious PorkBarrel" into that Holy Book

If you ever get the opportunity to read the translations of the 'real' Scrolls of Quran you will be even prouder in spirit and faith..Most "Jews" avoid that opportunity as small fragments confirms most of what has been said about the prophets and Jesus...Ever wondered why Hollywood or ANY other major main stream Producer or Director has never made a movie about those scrolls..Spielberg wanted too, but it took THREE Rabbis to convince him otherwise.

Quote..
[..."This author has not been able to locate any written or recorded sources utilizing the term ;Judeo-Christianity,prior to 1940 the term itself seems to be a modern invention and one forced on Christians via the media and Jewish influence. Abe Foxman, Director of the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish Supremacist organization, reinforces this fact in his propaganda laced diatribe Never Again, when he reveals on page 146 that he got Jerry Falwell, a well known Christian evangelist to agree to use the term ; Judeo-Christian, rather than the exclusive; "Christian", when referring to the foundation of the United States of America, i.e. This is a Christian Nation.".............Chris Womak ..who has a blogspot site...http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/]

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..."Jews fall into two main groups, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic, who were once located in Spain and Portugal. Daniel Elazar at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs wrote that at the end of the 11th Century, 97% of Jews were Sephardic, but the ratio changed dramatically over the centuries and by 1931 Ashkenazi Jews accounted for nearly 92 per cent of world Jewry.

Today the Ashkenazim utterly dominate Israel society both in numbers and control. Jewish organizations like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) constantly target others for 'racism' when Israel is a strictly and fiercely hierarchical society based on race, even among the Jews. The Ashkenazi are at the top, of course, followed by the Sephardic, and, irony of irony, then come the Mizrahi Jews, who descend from the Jewish communities of the Middle East. At the bottom of the pile are the black Ethiopian Jews who have long complained of blatant racism. Underneath all of them come the Palestinian Arabs."...David Icke...]


Without malice or intent to injure

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com


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