Diachronic Linguistics... 'Stealing with Stealth'..Saxonic long boat black-op

November 02, 2008
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From: paul evano (Troedyrhiw)
To: stag@asis.com (Jack Flaws)


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Subject: Just a wonderful response Jack
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Jack......Sir
Your:-
http://www.asis.com/users/stag/starchiv/britain.html

Many references to 'England' in your pages,in a time that the Khymri/Cymri (Welsh) dominated the "Isle of Britain"..

"Various and many historical documents indicate that, after Jerusalem, the first Christian church was established in England.It's founder, and founder as well of many seminaries, was Joseph of Arimathea, the uncle of the Virgin Mary. He was Jesus' great uncle. Joseph was a rich merchant with a large fleet of ships that ran the tin trade for the Roman Empire, between England and the Mediterranean. As Jesus' great uncle, Joseph became Jesus' Guardian (by Law, as next of kin) when Mary's husband Joseph died early in Jesus' life. He took Jesus with him on his journeys to Glastonbury,England. The place we know as Avalon; the King Arthur Avalon. This is the location of the first Christian church built above ground.To paraphrase an old saying, "All Christian roads lead to England ."The following informtaion was taken from two of the many volumes on the subject of Jesus' spending time in Britain. They are, the Traditions of Glastonbury, by E. Raymond Capt, and Did Our Lord Visit Britain, by C.C. Dobson."


The 'English' were STILL looking searchingly across the North Sea towards the Brittanic Isle speculating as too what possibly could be over there, at the time Jesus was born, up until the time the Romans left the Isle in the very early 5th century.....over 400 years later...[ and then they just came over for the day because of King Arthur's temper. Go Here Jack for historic review and tell Tim Matthews I sent you.

The Angles and Saxons called the Briton-Cymry "the Welsh"

["In the early Anglo-Saxon period, slaves were generally British captives - a common Anglo-Saxon term for a slave was "wealh" (from which we get "Welsh;" it also meant "foreigner." There were also slaves by "wite-theow" (penal enslavement), and people sometimes sold themselves or their children into slavery in order to settle their debts"...J.P.Sommerville]

[While you are away,go to my list of stories on home page and click on the item regarding the Welsh having a monkey on its back and use the translation tool for "German"(Deutsch) and then tell me that the anglo-saxon frat ain't(poor English there)STILL got it in for the CYMRI(Briton).. Pointless saying "get over it"..because there is the Internet now to contend with..Jack
Presently,there are several private "New Stock Exchanges" dealing not in "futures" Jack,but in "pasts".."HISTORICAL PASTS"..Guardians of Private Libraries that have never seen the light of day are been offered and being pick-up for $billions..Could be the next "Gold Standard".

The importance of Anglo-Italiano Religious and Political relationships is stripped naked here when one then re-translates THIS page Jack..
The Pope's 'Mafia-oso' translates "Britons as "Inglesi" and the "Welsh/Wales" as "Gallese/Galles" ,,I think that is the rationale for old Julius Caesar getting a knife in the back..He was station in Galle and never invaded Britannica successfully, sailing from Gaul across the "English" Channel..He always was a bigmouth.

What I am seeking to do Jack is to open your mind and eyes to the EXTENT of lie and misinformation and downright 'black-op' underhandedness that has transpired through the passage of just the last(say)2000 years]..
When Obama and Brown and the rest of the ragtrade passes THEIR new version of the "Internet Laws of Fairness" restricting the questioning of things already passed(historical sense)..The Net will be just a shadow of its potential..Their advisors ,mostly Psycho-analysts and not Net experts will express to them in that God-like personal manner,that Nations cannot afford a new and total "mental synthesis" of its people..if ALL MAJOR TRUTHS progressively and systematically came to light.
Can one imagine the World having to deal with that remarkable development.

People that seek the truth so that the evil and criminal elements can be reduced,then eventually eliminated and then ensure that standards of behaviour can continiously improve will obviously be hunted down as quickly as is possible.
Why is this??..Because the public firstly do not know what is going on in this big World of ours..They ARE NOT COWARDS..Information and the manner in which it is communicated is paramount in its importance..What will you be talking tonight about Jack?

[Here is another story regards English Historical precedents and it concerns your dear Glastonbury and Richard Whiting,the last Abbot of that beautiful place.

"Not only the Crown gained by the Dissolution - many royal administrators and clients lined their pockets with monastic money.

Little Jack Horner
Sat in the corner,
Eating a Christmas pie;
He put in his thumb,
And pulled out a plum,
And said,
What a good boy am I!

Jack Horner was the steward of the last Abbot of Glastonbury, Richard Whiting. In 1543, as part of an attempt to obtain Henry VIII's favor, Whiting sent Jack Horner to the king with title deeds of a number of valuable properties. To foil thieves, these deeds were concealed in a large pie.
On the journey, Jack Horner surreptitiously opened the pie and extracted the deed of Mells Manor, Somerset.

Shortly after the Dissolution of the Monasteries , the Horner family moved into Mells Manor, and live there to this day.
BUT,
The steward's name was Thomas, not Jack ,although it is true that 'Jack' is a common English nickname for any amusing rogue.
There is no written source for this story before the 18th century. (yet we have Henry a C16th King)
The Horner family has always insisted that the manor was perfectly legitimately purchased (along with some other properties)." ]

Caradoc('Caractacus' in the Latin)....King of the Welsh Silures was dominant throughout the Britannic Isles..It was he that welcomed and received Joseph of Arimathea to the shores of a country that the Romans respected so much....See Gaius Julius Caesar's words of praise..and many Roman contemporary writers of that historical period..Your page do not make any reference whatsoever
Read the Churchillian speech of Caradoc to Claudius and the Roman Senate after his capture(betrayal)..It was his father Bran that brought Christianity into Britain just a mere couple of years BEFORE Jesus was put to that cross.Your page do not make any reference whatsoever..

[..:From the book by Isabel Hill Elder
The Welsh or Cymry, as the eldest tribe, held three
priorities. Priority as the first colonizers of Britain;
priority of government and priority in matters of learning and
culture.(11) From this premier tribe was to be elected the
Pendragon, or military dictator with absolute power for the time
being in the case of national danger or foreign invasion.
Caractacus, third son of Cunobelinus, had now succeeded his
father as Pendragon under the title Arviragus, or 'high king'.
This Pendragon was proudly referred to by his fellow countrymen
as 'The Praiseworthy Opposer'. Arviragus had yet another name,
Gueirydd (Justiciary), from his office of administrator of
justice, and by this name is mentioned in the Welsh Chronicles.
These three titles by which this ancient king of renown was known
have been a source of confusion in the minds of historical
students and others, which would not exist if the custom of the
ancient Britons, that of using titular designations, were better
known. The case under consideration is a good example of this
custom; in elucidation the following may be noted: in seven
genealogical charts setting forth his pedigree, Arviragus is
shown to be the son of Cunobelinus and grandsire of Lucius (in
whose reign Christianity was established as the national
religion); in the pedigree according to the classics, i.e. Julius
Caesar, Tacitus, Suetonius, Dion Cassius and Orosius, Caractacus
is shown to be the son of Cunobelinus; in Rome Caractacus was
known also by his title, Arviragus, and is so referred to by the
poet Juvenal. In the pedigree according to Tysilio and in the
Welsh Chronicles, Caractacus appears under his title Gueirdd
(Justiciary), son of Cunobelinus and grandsire of Lucius.

Further, in the Triads, and some of the Welsh genealogies,
Caractacus appears as the son of Bran and grandsire of Lucius.
Bran, a contraction of Brenhan, i.e. 'King', is mentioned in the
Triads as 'Bran the Blessed' (the Blessed King). This was the
designation of Cunobelinus following his acceptance of
Christianity and his resignation of the crown in favour of his
third son, Caractacus. Bran the Blessed became Archdruid of
Siluria in order to devote the remainder of his life to
Christianity into which Druidism was beginning to merge.

Caradoc (Caractacus) was no rude savage fighting out of mere
animal instinct or in ignorance of the might of his adversary.
Familiar with the Latin language, this king was a true
representative of the higher classes of the Britons,'among whom a
as general taste for literature, a keen susceptibility to all
intellectual gratifications, a minute acquaintance with all the
principles and practice of their own national jurisprudence, and
a careful training in the schools of the rhetoricians, was very
generally diffused. Hence the rejoicing at Rome when this
military leader was BETRAYED and subsequently conducted through
the capital, amidst the excitement of three MILLION inhabitants
who thronged the line of procession to obtain a view of the
formidable captive.' The Senate was convened; the famous trial of
Caradoc followed, in which before the tribunal of the Emperor he
delivered himself thus..]

Caradoc speaks(taped by Tacitus) "[..Had my government in Britain been directed solely with a view to the preservation my hereditary domains, or the aggrandizement of my own family, I might, long since, have entered this city an ally, not a prisoner; nor would you have disdained for a friend,a prince, descended from illustrious ancestors, and the dictator of many nations. My present condition, stripped of its former majesty, is as adverse to myself as it is a cause of triumph to you. What then? I was lord of men, arms, horses, wealth.What wonder if at your dictation I refuse to resign them! Does it follow that because the Romans aspire to universal dominion every nation is to accept the vassalage they would impose? I am now in your power, BETRAYED, NOT conquered. Had I, like others, yielded without resistance, where would have been the name of Caradoc[Caractacus]? Where your glory? Oblivion would have buried both in the same tomb. Bid me live. I shall survive for ever in history, one example at least of Roman clemency." ]


Rant
[ Yet YOU "Jack Flaws" an AM-FM God-ly Shock Jock(GSJ) communicated with him (Caradoc) at 1.32 of the morning of the 20th Jan 2000 Eastern Standard Time ..almost 9 years ago..(See adjacent AOL black-op hidden camera image.)
The questions and interrogatives that are sploshing the now stained walls of all Historic Halls in The United States of America arises from the fact that all
tenured and non-tenured Dark Age Ph.D's(Piled higher and Deeper)agreed with the historical ancients that it was"Cartimandua" Queen of the Brigantes that put the boot in..so to speak..
Your amateurish involvement has now developed an unfathomable schism within the Dark Age Community..You have set the Gregorian Calender back 2000 years. ]Rant ends

Britannia, was the very first Christian declared country--by King Caradoc...and Yes, the lost tribes did eventually land in Britannia [Historically,this appears to be the case.BUT only 70% reliablity is assured] See Here..Genesis 10-5 or HERE...Take the plunge into the argument and they being the third invasion of that isle..the second being Brutus and his Trojans..The first is still in the argument stage of truthfulness...Your page do not make any reference whatsoever
The Assyrians knew the Lost Tribes as 'The Khymree'..It is in their History books..even today.
Semitic linguae(tongues) have a perplexing and amazing morphology...- rules for generating permissible words..Welsh is such.Your page do not make any reference whatsoever

Never forget..The 'privileged' few and élite with wealth sustain ALL the authoritative private depository libraries.
Let it be said unequivocally, this is the rationale for the US,Israeli and Brit mercenaries 'recent' looting of the Museums and Libraries of Iraq...Everyone knew it was going to happen,yet most scholars just stood back and wondered what riches was in store for themselves...Speak with the Irani 'Chalabi' and/or his cousin...
They can take my oil..They can take my wealth and they can take my women..but they better be mindful of a battle if they endeavour to assume my language and/or my racial inheritance.




Read the very last but one verse in Timothy 2 - 4:21 "Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.(KJB)
If you don't have a bible I totally understand..SEE Here :-)

Claudia is Caractacus's daughter with Pudens a Roman Senator and Army Officer her husband..Linus is Caradoc's son and it was he that became the VERY first Bishop of Rome..not Paul..
Extant literature confirms without argument these historical figures and their inter-relationships...Caradoc's other son of questionable identity(still) was married to the Emperor's(Claudius ) daughter..Your page do not make any reference whatsoever

There were NEVER EVER any Celts in the British Isle...Ireland yes,but not the Isle of Britannica..The myth was created by primarily English and Scot Historians and Entymologists that were very interested in personal financial improvements and their academic future...'Tenure-ship' has a way of making good men unreasonable..Angle-Saxon and Picti history is quite sad really..

This writer has several 17th century Brit-Romano history books where the words "Celt" or "Keltoi" do not exist.......Cymri..Cymric Cymru..Kymru..Khymri...Khymru YES.


Will Shakespeare concentrated on the likes of King Lear and Cymbelline in the 16th century
Old Will's forgetfulness,exaggeration and over-emphasis of historical Britannic 'heroes' was not received to well by the then Welsh Tudors Royal Elizabethan family who were 'not amused' by his interpretation of "historical truths"

Ironically and yet expectable, it was the Victorians more than two hundred and fifty years later who became "amused" and it was their enthusiasm that made Old Will 'famous' , the "Victorians"..not the period of the [Welsh and] Welsh Tudors..Henry 5th [House of Lancaster]..7th..8th..and King Henry 8th's Tudor daughters..both "bastards" apparently

"THE MYTH OF A CELTIC AND ROMAN BRITAIN
In order to free your mind from 150 years of re-writing and to rescue British history from the Orwellian memory hole it is vital to expose the two "big myths" at the heart of the 19th Century, newly invented Oxbridge Standard Edition of the past.The first myth is that of 'Celts' in Britain.There were NONE! Wilson and Blackett's research is supported by brave academics ,Professor John Collis and Dr Simon James who, together, prove that not until 1707 did the terms Celtic and British become fatally joined in a marriage of ideological expedience...Before that there were no hill-dwelling, primitive magick-worshipping 'Celts' in our history books but, instead, we had the real, non-fictional ancient British Khumry whose advanced civilization, fierce independence and warlike nature helped build a powerful British nation of between 8-10 million people able to defeat the invading and hated Romans 60 times in battle.Pictured here, Julius Caesar whose armies were smashed by the triumphant Khumry and their brothers throughout the land..This is an important show[radio] as these two myths have been used to attack, denigrate and ridicule the massive and real achievements of our noble ancestors....Once the tissue of lies is challenged and the myths exposed for what they are, the Oxbridge Standard Edition starts to crumble upon examination...Welcome to the truth! Welcome to the real world! Featured on Show #9, "Artorius Rex Discovered" by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett, the underground classic written in 1986 under heavy pressure and against huge official opposition. Supported and promoted by readers around the world, particularly in South Wales and throughout Britain.. Artorius Rex is a vital part of any historians book collection.

Available now from: ..Alan Wilson,
Ancient British Historical Association,
Vicarage Court, St. James,
Benwell Lane
Newcastle-Upon-Tyne,
NE15 6RS
United Kingdom"


URGENT PRESS RELEASE, JULY 20TH 2006

"NEW RESEARCH AMATEURISH AND FLAWED,"
SAYS LEADING BRITISH HISTORIAN.


"Ancient British history, the history of the Khumric people, is under attack," says Alan Wilson, Britain's foremost expert on these matters.

"A new genetic study by a team based at University College, London, under Dr. Mark Thomas, is amateurish and fatally flawed because it ignores the best historical evidence", Wilson adds. Thomas claims that invading Anglo-Saxons gained a position of power within the British Isles through a "system of apartheid", supposedly explaining how, over a period of 300 years, the ancient British, numbering at least six million (the number given in Salway's Roman Britain, 1981), were supplanted by Anglo-Saxons, numbering in the tens of thousands.

"But this is nonsense," says Wilson, co-author of seven books on ancient British history and whose best-selling paperback The Holy Kingdom caused uproar when published in 1997. "Massive historical evidence points to much of Britain being devastated by a cometary strike in the mid 6th Century. Astronomers at Cardiff University agree with us, as do astrophysicists including Dr. Victor Klube of Oxford University and dendrochronologists led by Dr. Michael Baillie of Belfast. All agree that a comet hit Britain and yet this research, and that of other scientists, has been completely ignored by Dr. Thomas."

REAL HISTORY

The destruction caused by the comet, is, Wilson says, the simplest, best, most appropriate and only factual explanation for the growth of Anglo-Saxon power from the 7th Century onwards. Subsequent Anglo Saxon invasions could not have succeeded without this disaster. "We are in trouble if academics can ignore the best historical evidence we have," Wilson continued. "Clearly, as explained in Welsh historical records of huge integrity, the comet struck causing massive devestation and the main victims were the Khumric people."

REAL EVIDENCE

One ancient Khumric record, the Brut Tyssilio, speaks of, "a star of great magnitude and brilliance with a single beam shining from it. At the end of this beam was a ball of fire, spread out in the shape of a dragon..."

Another, the Life of St. Teilo (who lived mid sixth Century), states, "St. Teilo received the pastoral care of the church of Llandaff to which he had been consecrated....but could not long remain, however, on account of the pestilence which nearly destroyed the whole nation....it was called the Yellow Pestilence because it occasioned all persons who were seized by it to be yellow without blood and it appeared to men as a watery column of cloud having one end trailing along the ground and the other above, proceeding in the air and passing through the entire country like a shower going through the bottom of the vallies."

MANY SOURCES

These are but two examples of a multiplicity of historical sources pointing in the same direction but which have been ignored by Dr. Mark Thomas. "The Anglo-Saxon invasion would have been impossible without the cometary strike," argues Wilson, "and you cannot ignore 99% of the historical evidence and make effective progress, which is why genetic studies such as this much-publicised recent effort are so flawed."

REAL ANSWERS

"If we want the answers to important historical questions that are the basis for the origins of the Welsh Dragon, and the real heritage and culture of the Khumric and British people, then we need look no further than the ancient records," says Wilson.

"Dr. Thomas and his team at University College London have replaced historical fact with modern-day fiction and they clearly have not done their homework."

ENDS

For more please visit, realhistory.libsyn.com or realhistoryradio.blogspot.com
In support of the Ancient British Historical Association, Chairperson, Alan Wilson
E-mail, realhistoryradio@aol.com
http://realhistorymedia.blogspot.com/

[ Alan Wilson and his associate Geneologist Baram Blackett are on "special assignment"..Their blog pages and Radio transmissions are temporary down..However,the Radio shows are archived Here (listen) and their website Here ]

Yours truly will now just saunter along and 'visit' your next page [Jack]..Who knows what may be in store...What I have stated above may very well be scribbled on the next page..lets hope, for that is all we can hope for.

This is a very 'interesting' site indeed..Although that comment is quite truthful,one can NEVER be certain of the driving force(motive) that lurks with/within the school of "Religious Broadcasting"...Qui Bono

"Qui Bono is a legal principle which says that whoever gains from a particular action or outcome is probably responsible for it"
[ Before you contemplate your view of responsibility here Jack,have a look at THESE KIDS ]
History is the memory banks of Mother Nature..Ignore it and your computer goes down.:-)
Truth needs no memory bank allocation.





Troedyrhiw
Ps.....I see you offer "PayPal"...That articulates a good deal more than prognosticated.
Pss...A Statistical Mathematician and Etymologist/Lexicographer could have a field day with your "Gemantria". :-))..I have a couple of used Saddam's WMD on order..make an offer.............................................no PayPal

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Jack
Without malice or intent to injure.
Your ego stands unchallenged :-))

Firstly, understand and translate the cacography(below) that you took the time and spent the effort in creating.
I just assume by default that your Radio Producer composes/writes the Radio script for you..??
Your reactive toxicant is quite discernible the status quo for "Radio Announcers(shock jocks)".from .(Rush Hudson)Limbaugh...Dr. Laura...Imus...Savage....Hannity et.al and etc...to the human manufacturer himself CEO master jock Mark Masters.

[What do these sentences mean...are they abbreviated, or is it page 23(code 19) out of Da Vinci's personal diary
"I don't know if you are Paul or Keith, but you both have big egos."
"You make many wrong assumptions, having not even tried to see all my Britain pages or my "Lost Tribes pages.
"Get over yourself.
"No reply necessary or accepted.
"Sooner."
"Faith Is A Verb Works don't make a Christian, a Christian makes Works."
"Get Some Son Today""


"I don't know if you are Paul or Keith, but you both have big egos."
Indeed Jack,..Keith and Paul yesterday..David today...Morphing just like the those fleeting shadows in the orchard and cemetery
Don't you understand this new medium..As a shock jock one would have thought by now that the changeling affect would have borne some common sense and expectations..

It seems that the old "Radio egoists" (I have a great Ed Morrow voicebox) will never wear a tie again and more importantly NEVER face the 'Cameras of Truth' ...How execrably and frightfully sad..
I will in time Jack 'peruse' your OTHER pages (promis -without the 'e' :-))..I think I repeat myself here..

"Works don't make a Christian, a Christian makes Works."
..and pray tell this soul of hope .."What have YOU done today Jack.
Why do you rhinos of radio spit out such ridiculous thoughts of evangelical 'wisdom' and praise..Jesus spoke logically and that is the reason people understood the message..Not sew confusion..See here Jack Educate-Yourself.org ..The British-Israel Hidden Hand
You radiomiesters messaging techniques has Freud and Jung congratulating each other in the carpeted aisle of their 'Sinagod'.

As a casual reminder dear Jack...Matthew ..Mark.. Luke and John ..and others.
Had it NOT been for THEIR WORKS there would be NO Christians today..So works do make a Christian..Billions and tens of billions of them over these last 2,000 years.

Those people(Welsh ego starts)..the Quakers, did not speak to those that they met in the manner that "you people" attempt to communicate..Most definitely,what is necessary is a complete 'overall' in the manner that Christianity is presented which may require reverting back to the 2nd century..Are you prepared to go back Jack ..back in time for the TRUTH.
The literature still exists....and THEY are not going to tell you that.....are they Jack

"Faith Is A Verb "
A 'Verb' is regarded as an "open-class" word which mean's Jack that an independent meaning can be assigned to it...The actionable(doing) aspect of 'faith' is normally commendable..

However,what does one do when (say) an innocent Ashkenazi asks you directly "What is your Faith mate"(he's Australian)...do you hit him on his beanie (actionable) and tell him to buzz off..or do you then SLLLL-IDE into yet another interpretive mode of the word "faith'..Get my point Jack.
I do not think that Jesus ever argued this point of grammatical correctivity with the Sanhedryn elders Jack...Their English was terrible anyway:-)

Why don't you challenge ON RADIO this type of secretive hypocrisy Jack (below) and then maybe Jesus will smile again...Please be warned that below is the NICEST of the webpages..Do not go there if you are currently taken any high blood pressure medication or contemplating converting to another Faith...The sites URL's name also warns you.
http://christianparty.net/talmudantichristian.htm
31. "All vows, oaths, promises, engagements, and swearing, which, beginning this very day or reconciliation till the next day of reconciliation, we intend to vow, promise, swear, and bind ourselves to fulfill, we repent of beforehand; let them be illegalized, acquitted, annihilated, abolished, valueless, unimportant. Our vows shall be no vows, and our oaths no oaths at all." -Schulchan 9ruch, Edit. 1, 136. The Jewish Kol Nidre "All Vows" Oath has been set to a morbid Jewish music, and is often heard on the radio. It is sung as a chant at each Yom Kippur [Jewish New Year service September 17]

"Get over yourself."
reverse dictionary results >>Zero
There's a similar idiomatic expression , "Have you got tickets on yourself", which is Australian ....here ...with my fondest regards Jack
A Christian that insults another Christian is called a... 'verb'? ...no ?? ....Please help me out here Jack.

"Get Some Son Today"
Is this from your radio weather-man Jack or from some 'loose lady' hanging around the station offices . :-))

"No reply necessary or accepted."
Well Jack if you have got thus far..the comment is just null and void..eh..Your ego just kicked in :-)
Nothing wrong having a ego Jack..Some people call it confidence..Some analysts indicate its just deprived peoples inward activated jealousy toward the learn-ed..
[Sooner]
Please reply Jack as I have ALMOST enough for my book:-))..titled "Speak when you are spoke to..A Radio Narrative"..[The SOONER the better]

Without malice or intent to injure.

(Troedyrhiw)David ...(Dai/Dewi in Welsh-pronounced -'Di'- )Also the Patron saint of Wales (circa 520-600AD)born in the very same 'shire' (Pembroke) as 'St. Patrick'...another Welshman .....'.yes that's the one ..Learn something every day ..eh Jack

Seriously...
PayPal...Why do you provide business for these folks?..Forget the above Just answer this question Jack.

Troedyrhiw

Note...I wrote this story over two years ago Go here for update on the Welsh(Khumry's) capabilities at that time...dated 11 March 2011 and as to why they(Welsh) battled with horse drawn chariots ...Troedyrhiw

Michael Hoffman..and that loving feeling..Righteous-but Misplaced

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Michael Hoffman's article on Bishop Williamson's deniability

Michael

I have read many of your publications and agree generally with 85-90% of your work. I have however found that this article rides in the 15-10% bracket of disagreement.

Your... "I love and pray for Judaics"

By default are you attemptingto nuance the sentence due to their Khazarim heritage.??
Moreover, I do not think that whomever may have "invented" the word "love" (historical or pre-historical) had your application in mind.
You love your wife,your family and your Lord...If you love your neighbour, I think that is called "adultery"..is it not :-))
Appropriate words applicable to the human trait of passionate expression are most definitely thither in the etymologist's and lexicographer's dictionary..
We all at times become smothered by abstractions. Nowadays we must be vigilant and judicious as "they" the enemy of our Jesus doth parse and study till their beanies fall off...It is their weakness as truth needs no memory banks.

[Sidebar:Suggestion...That the chemical reactive in the brain overtime was being "contaminated" by the conditions that existed in that period of evolution...Remember,"learning" and memory recall continiously changes during the living of life..The fundamental beliefs are probably at its maximum when very young and being influenced.(ref. todays 4 year old sex education,and teaching the 6 year olds "the Shoah" etc)If Evolutionary Psychology had been fully understood and carefully monitored over the last (say)2000 years and more importantly applied without bias and ignorance,the suggestion would have encourage the study of emotions inherent within the cognitive processes that govern friendship, aggression,sexuallity,jealousy, cooperation, pat/maternal love,romantic love..et al ]

THEY now have the resource assistance of etymological software.
Can one anticipate the Talmudian Torture Text with annotations being sceptred in places that we never knew existed on a sacrilegious page...and hitting the 100 book mark by (say) "2012" (AD of course)

Your..." Holocaustianity is the last truly believed state religion in the otherwise agnostic West. Auschwitz has replaced the Resurrection as the central ontological event in our history."

If by "Holocaustianity " you mean the Christian acceptance of the Holocaust,then by announcement you unwittingly provide the impetus that any myth postulates to ensure survival..It is a sign of inglorious and dishonorable capitulation.Your enemies can and will fabricate on that concessionary admittance..You have just offered their Elders a moment of satisfaction and Protocol advancement.
You may not agree but when one expresses oneself in such a manner,there appears to be a psychological weakness,not by definition, but by acceptance by those people who smiles victoriously when their opposition shows the human aspect of his/hers rationale.

Your "no one goes to jail for denying the Resurrection"

Yes they do..Try Italy, Russia,Spain and Poland.
The official charges may not be specifically located under "Resurrection", but you know how these religious Spanish and Italian legal experts cogitate...don't you...And I dare you Michael to walk down any main street in Moscow with a banner reading "Jesus is a fake"

Your... "Holocaustianity is its deadly rival for the hearts and minds of mankind."

With 1.3 Billion casual and devoted Christians in this world of ours..The 14-19 million(includes atheistic sayanims and top notch Judaic Christians) followers of the Sanhedrin and Theodor Herzl require much more than their current control of politicians,media and finances to Judaicalise the vast majority of that 1.3B Christians..

If you peruse Google with the "Jews kicked-out of country" and then Google much deeper into the archival narratives of primarily Spanish, Italian, British and Greek "scholarly places" you will be happy to find out that what may appear to today's 'knowledgeable people' is not dissimilar in expectant Jewish immorality and iniquity...than in the days of Tiberius Claudius Caesar.,,say 49AD ....later to be Neoconised by the Historian and Senator "Gaius Cornelius Tacitus "...and that was the period when THE REAL Judeans first clasped their eyes upon the MANY Christians that populated the suburbs of Rome .....and Britannica...It was hate at first site..But then Tiberius completely ignored Abe Foxnab and the ADL assassins and gave away his daughter in marriage to a "Khymric Brit"..the son of Caractacus(Caradoc latinised) and they all lived happily ever after. ..as Christians of course

The Christians today can say... "BEEN THERE.. DONE THAT" and find just ONE MAN who will have the guile,fortitude and strength of character to correct the situation..Please everyone stop shouting "OBAMA"(read that last para again)..and John Wayne and Moses are no longer with us

....Amen..

Dear Troedyrhiw

As a Christian I am commanded by my Savior to love my enemies and do good to those who hate me (Matthew 5:44-47). This is the basis of the love I have for adversarial Judaics.
This is not to deny that God will indeed deal with those who are resolutely and impenitently wicked (Psalm 5: 4-6). But that's up to Him, not us (Romans 12:19).
Our job is to work and pray for everyone's conversion and salvation, including our own sinful selves. A vital part of that work is the dissemination of truth without fear.
Sincerely,
Michael Hoffman

Michael
The italicised paragraph immediately below was from one of your many "Anon's" here..It does however express a sincerity that aromatise in honesty and truth..How would you assimilate your position of non-combativeness and (say) the possible need to kill someone for (say) Israel against (say) Iran(Moses's home) if called up to perform National Service for your country ..the US of A...

"Praying for jews doesnt mean rolling over to jews and being slaughtered by them. Peter carried a sword for good reason. Dying by the sword is better than dying by doing nothing to save our children. The people are out to kill us. If we dont stand and fight we wont be able to pray for anyone because we'll be dead. Anyone who tells you to roll over and let these criminals take over your women, children and country is a complete buffoon."

What we have... is 1900 years of interpretive Christianity all set in motion and based upon that which was established in Jerusalem by the Disciples and Apostles of Jesus..
The historical and linguistical altercations that took place EVEN BEFORE the pagan high priest "Pontifex Maximus"(Emperor Constantine) had Eusebius of Caesarea formally "pick" the right books for the so called "Canon" were very VERY minor when one considers that Constantine massacred the Christian Scriptures of the 1st and 2nd century by amalgamating the established Roman and his own pagan beliefs with very same Scriptures



The religious influence of Jesus and his Disciples were now tempered back considerably while Ministers and Bishops sprouted up like seeds in an allotment...and this was over 150 years AFTER the Britons(Cymry) blessed their country as a Christian Nation by their very own Royal Family..They celebrated Jesus' birthday in the spring which they knew to be correct..as opposed to the paganised birthday of the 25th December .
Many a devout Christian(Brit) was murdered by fellow Christians(Romano) for just this difference in understanding. and that was 1600 years ago

I believe that it was at this point in our history (312-399AD) that the Religious Elite and Political Academics seen very clearly that by 'educating' (substitute your own word) the Christian masses in "putting the sword down" and "loving your enemies" even "turning the other cheek"...they..the people, just like today's "Bush/Obama/Blair/Brown" doctrine needs to depend and trust those that requires constant acknowledgment, position and wealth....."Love The Fear Factor" don't you [Today's Gun Control attempt at legistration is the modern technique attempt in controlling the reactionary element of our society,because the Elite NO LONGER KNOWS HOW to use the Word of God to their advantage...to frighten people] ..Could it be...put "fear in"....to get...."love out"...Is that what they mean when they say "FEAR GOD"

Important...One must also never lose sight of the fact that these Christians were, just prior to this "language consolidation", still being persecuted,oppressed and pursued in the streets and the arenas...I know what your thinking at this juncture :-) ...and I believe you to be correct..
Cui Bono(who benefits here). as that 4-letter word just jumps out of the page...and its not "love" :-)
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I am a Christian up to and no further than 156AD and I really cannot envision Jesus- Matthew-Mark-Luke or John and particularly the big guy in the sky (BGITS)knowing by bitter experience the outcome that befalls weak people contemplating a philosophy that endangers their flock so readily...
Christianity would be dead in the water today had they abided by the hypocritical (does not have) praise in the Hebrew Law of absolute forgiveness..
When one considers that in 1885 the Archbishop of Canterbury ripped out 15 books(The Apocrypha) from the English edition of the KJB(now 66) ..one then must reflect as to the rationale for such an apparent extreme course of action to adopt and relate that activeness to many others through the passage of the centuries...

That be the case,can we honestly believe that lying prostrate in a complete defensive neutral, non-combative position was the "ism" that Jesus sought and taught our ancestors.
Indeed ,what additional literary material and linguistical morphage did Eusebius of Caesarea introduce into that Bible so as to put the "fear of God" into the masses.

Christianity (anagram) --"In its charity"

Troedyrhiw

So this is Judeo-Christianity...Was Jesus really a "Jew" or "Judean"

Drag pointer slowly OVER images for maximum effectiveness(with Left Hand Mouse button down))...

Ever wondered how the Zionists and the Christians get along together on a mutual agreed 'battlefield'...Read this thread from the Conservative Worldview run by JadeRebel and attempt to distinguish the Zionist from the Christian.

[Most 'young' Jews today(under 100 years of age)know absolutely NOTHING of what is recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures..the Old Testament(The Torah)..They have been "educated" from birth by the Rabbi in the Talmudic Laws(Halaka) and its very own man-made Religiosity..]..Troedyrhiw

[The countless Rabbi's since 200AD and their constant modification(to this very day)and interpretation of the laws on the Hebrew Scriptures contradicts(everywhere)the passages of the Old Testament..The Rabbi's theory is that Moses could not have possibly penned all that G_d has said,so he(Moses)had to tell the precepts(Rules of personal conduct).. orally.]..The 'oral'(The Talmud) supercedes the Five Books of Moses (or Pentateuch)in what today is called "Judaism" (Juda-ism)which is actually a word created(made-up) for Roman consumption by the Jewish General "Titus Flavius Josephus"(suicide winner) who survived and registered the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and captured by the Romans... ]
[He lived out the good rich life paid for by his captures..Titus is accused of treasonous deeds and also as an apologist for the Jews...He apparently never missed a Saturday Night on the Town when the Christians and the Lions came to town..said 'Pliny the Younger']..Troedyrhiw.
[Jesus had NEVER EVER heard the term "Jew".."Talmud" or "Judaism" , for it was this "oral" lecturing of the Pharisees and Essenes that got him mad as hell..The "Rabbi" was created at the end of the first century...about the time of Flavius Josephus.Through the second,third and fourth centuries the 'Rabbi' went from just one to hundreds,,Then the very first Talmud was produced in Babylon where most of the "Rabbi's lived" now called the "Babylonian Talmud",,which today consists of OVER 60 VOLUMES..A far cry from Moses original five
My goodness Moses must have had some enormous memory banks..and after chiseling all that stuff on the tablets.]..Troedyrhiw
[Apparently,through the passage of historical to modern times, the Rabbi's have crossed swords with G_d many times and refer to their "arguments" with the Almighty in parts of the Talmud..They boast of G_d apologising and of him accepting unfavourable judgments (criticism)]..There is no shame...Troedyrhiw

THIS sites host and writer(Troedyrhiw) has taken the handle "Nennius" on the Conservative Worldview Forum

Nennius's corrections(only) from original posts
1...Added comments to thread are in square brackets[-]
2...Nennius indicates deliberate errors in thread so as to assess the real intellect of said "Bible experts"..Deliberate errors are denoted with three asterisks ***
3...The phrase "3 years and 1 day indeed" is reference to a Talmudic explanation
dealing with "young children",which Nennius finds discusting.No one will attempt as yet to "explain" what may be a "misprint?
4...The part phrase "eventually crucified Jesus" had an excessive adjective..It has been deleted.
5...Reference to Flavius Josephus..Re the "Islam" word was phrased in that contempory period which is wrong.
6...All images inserted by Troedyrhiw

Here is an extract from Nennius
"Remember that the "Jews" were non-existant in that name until 1775AD with the amendment to first English translations( The Wiclif) in the 14th century which was finally completed in the KJV of 1516AD***...It is an English description of those that opposed and eventually crucified Jesus ..Google it and find out yourself if you are an unbeliever...At that time no cult or sect existed by such a name ..."jew"
Furthermore..Shakespeare wrote in the Merchant of Venice....(SHYLOCK.)... "What is the reason? I am a Iewe, hath not a Iewe eyes?" ..and that was the about the time the KJB was originally published.

From the 4th century Vulgate Latin "Iudaeus" and the Greek "Ioudaios" to the 18th century, English "jew" included called successively: "Gyu", "Giu", "Iu", "Iuu", "Ieuy", "Iuw", "Ieuu", "Iwe", "low", "Iewe", "Ive","Ieue", "Iue", "", "lew", and eventually in 1775, "Jew".
The earlier English translations for through 400AD were "Giwis", "Giws", "Geus", "Gyues", "Gywes", "Giwes", "Iuys", "Iows", "Iouis", "Iews", and then also finally in the 18th century, "Jews"...Old English to (say)Victorian English
As a sidebar and possibly extremely interesting...During the initial battles in 354AD between the invading Germanic AngloSaxons(the "English") and the Britons of Britain(the Welsh)...The Kymru(Welsh) of the mid 4th century actually referred to the English marauders as the Giwis or Gyues...Now that is quite an interesting snippet of Dark Age historical fact.

The people that killed Jesus were not the "Judeans" that follow the "Torath Yahve"(Torah)..but the Pharisees..aka Talmudic Zionists in todays's descriptive..So now you can see the rationale why some "Jews" cannot stand Zionists and the Talmudic Text of Hate and Incest (3 years and 1 day indeed).... Explain that to this Christian(to 156AD) please

The Judeans practiced "Judaism"..a word that the traitor Flavius Josephus provide to the Romans to distinguish it with Christianity and eventually Islam....Todays Zionist practices Pharisaism...the constantly rabbinical modified 'Babylonian' Talmud...Those that attempt to weld Talmud and Judaism together only invites scorn and the label "thief"... It is those Talmudic practices and the 63 Books(and increasing) that is the reason for your being thrown out of every country in the World....not the Torah abiding Jews..Yet the Torahical people have suffered these last two thousand years due to your genetic sickness. You are caught in the process of stealing the Judeans religious philosophy and using it for political and territorial gain..


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Jewish homes destroyed by Condi Rice

From:BeyondBabylo Feb-12 2:45 am
To: ALL(1 of 49)

Read and weep for the Israeli Jews of Gush Katif/Gaza, on whose behalf I wrote before their illegal expulsion by the bribed Ariel Sharon and criminal company working for foreign interests. Many of them remain homeless, depressed and basically abandoned by their lying government -- their former homes history, stripped bare and destroyed by marauding Arab enemies who are now fighting among themselves, one terrorist group (Hamas) against another terrorist group (Fatah), as the daily newspapers and television reports confirm.

Don't Expel Jews from Gaza!

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From:BeyondBabylo :Feb-13 6:43 am
To: ALL ;(2 of 49)

A reality-based editorial title for the terror unleashed against 8,000 Israeli men, women and children (simply because they are Jews), would be "Ethnic cleansing in Gaza," "Gaza to be made Judenrein," or "Sharon sells out Israel for foreign interests."

Moving Day in Gaza?

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From:Nennius1;Feb-14 3:25 am
To:BeyondBabylo (3 of 49)

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia :Quote.. "The primary meaning of Ashkenaz and Ashkenazim in Hebrew is Germany and Germans. This may be due to the fact that the home of the ancient ancestors of the Germans is Media, which is the Biblical Ashkenaz...Krauss is of the opinion that in the early medieval ages the Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim...About 92 percent of all Jews[today] or approximately 14,500,000 are Ashkenazim." ..end quote

Note!..Only decendants of Shem are "Semites"...see below from the Old Testament (the Jewish Torah)
Genesis 10:1-8... Quote
1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
2 The sons of Japheth....Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
3 And the sons of Gomer....Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 And the sons of Javan,Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
6 And the sons of Ham,Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.
7 And the sons of Cush,Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.
8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to..et al"
End quote

[The word "semite" is derived from the followers of Noah's eldest son "Shem" only..All sons and son of sons above are from Japeth and Ham..]

Suggest you get off their lands pronto...for it does not belong to you..Never has...Never will
I await your 2x4 smearing tactics and curses with yawning anticipation
If you are an Arab you can call be an anti-semite...else goodnight and goodluck.
Do not forget to debate this fact rationally(see dictionary)

Nennius..your nemenis

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From:BeyondBabylo;Feb-15 1:46 am
To:Nennius1(4 of 49)

You can take "opinions" as facts, and quote books of uninspired men, but the rest of us know better and go by THE BOOK.

Christian Zionists believe and support the fulfillment of the many prophecies that foretold the restoration of Jews from all over the world to the Promised Land of Israel.

Christian Zionists oppose those who would seek to undermine or destroy the Jewish Homeland for the myth of Palestine that is against the Word and Will of God.

Christian Zionists put many Jews and Israelis to shame, especially those who remain in a self-imposed exile contrary to the clear teachings of Judaism and those like Shimon Peres who are out in left field and would surrender Jerusalem to sworn enemies if the price is right.

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From:BeyondBabylon:Feb-15 1:47 am
To:ALL (5 of 49)

For a just and lasting peace in the Middle East, all the Jews and Arabs must do is honor Father Abraham's example and do as he did.

Peace Now. Arabs and Jews Must Go Their Separate Ways

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From:BeyondBabylon;Feb-15 1:49 am
To: Nennius1 (6 of 49)

The Myth of Palestine is easily exposed for those interested in the plain truth of the Bible and history.

Christian Zionists and Bible-believing Jews know that the Jewish Homeland was prophesied to be restored and that the Muslims who oppose it oppose the Word and Will of God, and their own Koran!

"The Koran clearly states (Sura 5:21) that God granted the Land of Israel to the Children of Israel and ordered them to settle there. In addition, it is predicted that before the end of days, God will bring the Children of Israel to retake possession of the Land, gathering them from the different countries and nations (Sura 17:104)

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From:Nennius1 Feb-16 1:04 am
To: BeyondBabylo (7 of 49)

Hi BB...................................(no not that Zionist guy)
"Beyond Babylon"...How much further do you think the land should extend to(Eretz-Kna'an)..Very interesting choice of moniker or is that a soubriquet..if you get the nuance.

your
"The Myth of Palestine is easily exposed for those interested in the plain truth of the Bible and history."... and ..."You can take "opinions" as facts, and quote books of uninspired men, but the rest of us know better and go by THE BOOK..."
Nennius says...."Joseph Farar"(your linkage) really needs to perform further study..A 'script kiddie' with 1 months study in religious instruction and geographic orientation could drive a "bull-dozer" through
'his facts' and thought process with argument...I suggest JF(whomever) put Google into 2nd gear and sift through the Net for ten mins.

ONE OF THOSE BOOKS you speak of..........Old Testament...Joel 3.4..."Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of PALESTINE ? will ye render me a recompence ? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;"

The latter part of this Joel 3.4 extract spoken to Joel,who just happens to be drunk at the time the Lord speaks to him, is a must read for all those Shoar Sharks that are ripping Germany and other countries apart.. financially...The precedent was set then.
Discretionary dictionaries defines "Palestine" as Canaan..Eden..Holy Land..

From the "Online Etymology Dictionary"
PALESTINE ..."from L. Palestina (name of a Roman province), from Gk. Palaistine (Herodotus), from Heb. Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines." Revived as a political territorial name 1920. "

They were..they are..they will be

Recapping...
Philistines are mentioned in
Genesis..21.32....21.34.....26.1 up to 26.18...total =7 times
Exodus...2 times
Joshau...2 times
Judges...31 times
Samuel..123 times
Kings.....6 times
Chronicles.29 times
Psalms....1 time..
Isaiah......3 times..
Jeremiah..3 times..
Ezekiel....4 times..
Amos......3 times..
Obadiah...1 time..
Zephaniah.25 times..
Zechariah..96 times..
These all Old Testament references....and Philistia 3 times..
So you see BB, the non-semitic Palestinians( Philistines) were very much prominent right from the beginning... Genesis
Their complete defragmentation,dispersment and marginalisation may have confused many bais religious minds through-out the passage of the historical ancients..The Palestinians were just as semitic as the 90% + Jews of today..Are the Zionists of the Christian Zionist partnership semitic or of another stripe??...So one can say that they[Palestinians] have been in the "Holy Land"...from day one

Your..
"For a just and lasting peace in the Middle East, all the Jews and Arabs must do is honor Father Abraham's example and do as he did."

Totally agree..This also applies to Jesus's Christians of this world...It is rationale to assume that 90% of Christians did not realise that the Arab(many) are decendants of Abe and his wife's handmaiden(Hagga) until the Internet came into fruition...This be the fault of Christian ministers and evangelists that perverted the Good Book by being their very own 'prophet'..... for their own profit and self interest..

"Christian Zionist"..Do you really not appreciate, that this would be the ultimate oxymoron.
The word "Zionist" is not even mentioned in the Old or the New Testament..It eventually came into being 600 hundreds years after the Jews who had been thrown out of the British Isle by Edward 1 because of blood rituals (alleged) and excessive usury which Edward was really responsible for..They were gone for almost 400 years ...Eventually they begged re-entry to Oliver Cromwell, who without committee approval gave them the okay while ignoring the outrage of the British Clergy and committe members...

I know that you may say that these are not the Jews that you necessarily represent or agree with..However(always one of these),within this cluster of immigrants,over the next few hundred years the immigrants( a few) formulated a political system that evolved into "Theodore Herzl and his cruel and despicable philosophy of "antisemitism" and stipulating maximum suffrage for the jewish people which led to the assassination and blackwash of everything Palestinian

Quote
"British Foreign Office.
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild.
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that

nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely

Arthur James Balfour"....end Quote

Note....The Zionist Chaim Weizmann, the first president of the state of Israel, was actually British.

The western "Zionists" (Herzl and Co) were out-maneuvered by the eastern "Zionist" Jew....the Bolshevik's ....who I should remind people were directly responsible for the deaths of over 20 million Russian CHRISTIANS and 7-10 million Ukraine's ..So where indeed is the honest relationship between the Zionist and the Christian...(See released Russian achives)..Honesty is Truth..Truth is the Lord is it not...
It is the very same Soviet Zionists(decendants of) that are currently bedding the Christians in a relationship that was doomed from the start...and only the Zionists and Christians leaders know that fact...But it provides them with authority, wealth and 'respect' within their communes.

Please be aware that the "Christian Zionist" (around 40 million), are primarily in the Southern US and represents a very small portion of all Christianity (1.3 Billion)...Do this not indicate some form of manipulation and brainwash by those that cannot exist in the greater scheme of events

Without malice or intent to injure

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com..
Do not go to this website if you are sensitive to political,religious,historical and literary criticism
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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-17 9:48 pm
To: Nennius1 (8 of 49)

You said:

"Without malice or intent to injure"

That was the part that made me chuckle.
At any rate, you've bought the lie that somehow majority makes right. It's a shame, really, because you obviously are well-read and are able to make your points concisely and clearly.

It was the Romans who coined the term "Palestinians" to refer to Jewish exiles. It wasn't until Arafat and the war in 1967 that the term meant anything else but Jews living in what was then called "Palestine." Go back and read any newspapers in the 40's and you will see exactly what I mean. Arab Muslims living in the land were referred as "Arab Muslims" or Jordanians.

If it matters to you, I'm not a Christian, so I'm not desiring to defend it. However, traditional Christianity has as its authority the bible, which has always taught that Abraham's first born with Hagar is Ishmael. It is incredulous that you would say that isn't taught, as it is there for everyone to see.

However, G-d's promise was through Abraham AND Sarah, not Hagar. Thus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to carry the promise, not Ishmael. This is reiterated through the Christian New Testament as well.

Shabbat Shalom..

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From: Nennius1 Feb-18 10:03 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (9 of 49)

I said:"Without malice or intent to injure"

your reply..
"That was the part that made me chuckle."

Pray tell the extent and textual influence for the injury that you found so hurtful ..More importantly,whatever would be the rationale for feeling that a "chuckle" would suffice to hide your pain or irony..Are you saying that there exists a nuanced agenda within the reply to BB

your..
"At any rate, you've bought the lie that somehow majority makes right. It's a shame, really, because you obviously are well-read and are able to make your points concisely and clearly."

The generalisation on the first part is NOT self explanatory??..The inductive reasoning in the second part is hearsay:-)....or maybe heresy:-))

your..
"It was the Romans who coined the term "Palestinians" to refer to Jewish exiles. It wasn't until Arafat and the war in 1967 that the term meant anything else but Jews living in what was then called "Palestine." Go back and read any newspapers in the 40's and you will see exactly what I mean. Arab Muslims living in the land were referred as "Arab Muslims" or Jordanians.

The Online Etymology Dictionary(in previous post) indicates this as a Province in its chronological listing.
I would remind you also(in previous post).
"British Foreign Office.
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild.
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:..
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that
nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country""...
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely

Arthur James Balfour"

I would also remind you that this was at the beginning of the 20th century..
Palestine was already there and very much in the news for many years... way before Arafat had a dream..The Arabs and the minority Jews were very contented (prior)..They lived next door to each other and visited the market places together and ate together..........until the BritJews and EuroJews broke yet another covenent.......This time with the Brits ...

No need to 'read 40's newspapers'..A relation was shot in the back in Jerusalem by Menachem Begin's Bandits...and no... the '40's newspapers did not tell the truth..The Brits were not forewarned at the hotel K-David...So the "40" are quite vivid in the memory banks..No need to troll Google.


your..
"If it matters to you, I'm not a Christian, so I'm not desiring to defend it. However, traditional Christianity has as its authority the bible, which has always taught that Abraham's first born with Hagar is Ishmael. It is incredulous that you would say that isn't taught, as it is there for everyone to see."

Just consider the USA for illustration purposes only, while it may apply to many other Western countries..Prior to Internet Technology how many understood that both Moses and Abraham were from Arab countries...How many Americans realise even today that the 101 Airborne and the 22nd SAS(Brits) ran through the 'town' in Iraq where Abraham was born .......1..2..3..4..??..
The religious teachers did not provide geography classes to their congregations..It was not taught until such time when parishioners started to ask questions...The ignorance of people is "incredulous "

your..
"However, G-d's promise was through Abraham AND Sarah, not Hagar. Thus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were to carry the promise, not Ishmael. This is reiterated through the Christian New Testament as well."

This is the problem, in that the greater part of the people whose faith evolved within the Tanakh/OldTestament believes that the Almighty discontinued his promise to the Jewish peoples because of their sinful transgressions..The greater part of the Christian Community accepts this interpretation...The "re-iteration" is balanced by the "nuancing" within both bibles....Protestants and other factions of Christianity always wonder "whatever happened to Hagar"...after the book of Genesis...no word no trace..Was she marginalised.......History repeating itself ??

"Genesis 10...31-32..These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations......These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood."

From the Genesis passage,why would religious and historical and linguistic scholars even consider that there was only one land/nation and only one people

your..
"Shabbat Shalom"

Shavua Tov...and without a chuckle:-))

Nennius(WelshBrit).
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com.
Do not go to this website if you are sensitive to political, religious,historical and literary criticism

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-18 5:25 pm .
To: Nennius1 (10 of 49) ..

Your
"Pray tell the extent and textual influence for the injury that you found so hurtful"

Ah, but I already did: That you bought the lie.

Your
"This is the problem, in that the greater part of the people whose faith evolved within the Tanakh/OldTestament believes that the Almighty discontinued his promise to the Jewish peoples because of their sinful transgressions."

We can believe sharks can grow legs and swing from trees, but that doesn't make it so.

The BIBLE says God will NEVER forsake Israel and Judah. Jeremiah 31:

Jer 31:35-37..
35 Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; the LORD of hosts is His name:..
36 "If this fixed order departs from before me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever."..
37 Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done," declares the LORD.

Now, I can't speak for where you live, but here, the sun came up like usual, I haven't heard of someone visiting the end of the universe to measure it OR the center of the earth to see what it looks like. There were stars in the sky last night as well.

So from my biblical viewpoint, God has not abandoned Israel. Paul repeats this in Romans 9-11.

Your
"Prior to Internet Technology how many understood that both Moses and Abraham were from Arab countries."

Any child in Sunday school knows that Moses was born in Egypt and Abraham came from the land of Ur. To say they were from "Arab Countries" makes no sense since you are already teaching that "Arab Countries" came from Abraham.

You can't have it both ways. That is LITERALLY putting the cart before the horse.

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From: Jernigan Feb-18 6:39 pm
To: Nennius1 (11 of 49)

So far, everybody who studies this issue has pretty much successfully resisted the urge to employ reason ... and your reasoned post is likely to have the same fate.

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From: Nennius1 Feb-19 2:01 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (12 of 49)

your
"Any child in Sunday school knows that Moses was born in Egypt and Abraham came from the land of Ur. To say they were from "Arab Countries" makes no sense since you are already teaching that "Arab Countries" came from Abraham. "

Freud and Jung would call the above cerebral struggle as "Seeding Adolescency with Reflective Imagery ".. meaning the explanation for the "picture" is deliberately omitted.

If you peer searchingly into the structure of the replies to your posts,you will find at least nine specific areas where compromise is inherent in the intentional design of grammatical construction.
Apparently you failed to identify these important "nodes" of intellectual sincerity..A Rabbi you will never be..

However..(another one of these)..Your attempt at galatic and astronomical drollery and waggery is not lost on the fact that you are unwittingly and unknowingly encroaching into one of this writers 'strengths' and specialities... Nevertheless I will let it be, for no satisfaction can be worth the scourge of cognitive psychology.

Advice(see dictionary)..
Compromise is the essence of peace,understanding and liberty..Comedy must be left to Jay Leno and Letterman..If something in the website(below)has upset you..You were warned.........then I apologise

Good luck and Goodnight Barabbas......and goodbye[but she didn't go].......ooops sorry Barbara

Nennius (WelshBrit...Christian up to and including 156AD...and not a day longer.)..
Canada..
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com..
Do not go to this website if you are sensitive to political, religious, historical and literary criticism


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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-19 3:04 am
To: Nennius1 (13 of 49)

Your
"Freud and Jung would call the above cerebral struggle as "Seeding Adolescency with Reflective Imagery ".. meaning the explanation for the "picture" is deliberately omitted."

I can't tell you how little I care what they would or wouldn't have said :)

Your
"A Rabbi you will never be.."

Ya think? I actually know a few female rabbis, however. But I'm confident I'll never be a rabbi, a brain surgeon or highway patrolman. In fact, I could take up a LOT of space telling you what all I'd never be.

However, I do love the Lord My God with all my heart, my might and my strength and my neighbor as myself. Key points in my theological system :)

Youy
"If you peer searchingly into the structure of the replies to your posts,you will find at least nine specific areas where compromise is inherent in the intentional design of grammatical construction."

Oh, goody! Instead of addressing my points, you wish to diagram my sentences.

Your
"Good luck and Goodnight........and goodbye Barabbas.... .........ooops sorry Barbara"

Of course! When you can't stand the heat...we all know why you are blowing me off. BTW, "Barabbas" means "son of the father." I'm happy to be called a "Child of the Father" but I don't fit the qualifications for a son.

Shalom

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From: Nennius1 Feb-19 4:10 am ..
To: Jernigan (14 of 49) ..

Hi Jernigan

I hear you loud and clear...
Indeed, many others have probably unknowingly attempted to drum honest logic into the mindsets of the "Barbaras" of this struggling world of ours and presumably get quite saddened at the nihilistic delusionary attitude to events that are actually materialising around their fat work-shy asses.

My excursions around the forums is really to establish where these "placers" have been positioned,who they are and possibly find a connection with some external group or company that benefits from their "conversational " subversive activities..It is not as differcult as some would believe....
"Barbara" is a pussy cat in comparison to others encountered..
As you already are aware,"they" have been showing up in the forums for many years now....If I have an agenda,then it is overt and spelled out..

They normally work in packs of three or more..Very structured...just like Wikipedia.com and PayPal..
Hope there are no "Little Red Riding Hoods" in the Con-Worldview forum here:-))

Take care

Nennius

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From: Jernigan Feb-19 5:57 am
To: Nennius1 (15 of 49)

Barbara is the only person on this forum I have on ignore at this time ... D610 and mrsammo1 having thankfully departed to haunt some other house. I can't comment on her recent posts 'cause I don't read 'em.

On most religious subjects, especially Bible study, I just don't know enough about it to get too involved ... it all seems pretty clear to me & I have been unable to find a single instance where I am commanded by Christ to hate anybody. But then, like I said, I'm really not a student of it .... I can't even find a place where I'm required to curse and rage at people who disagree with me - but:

\you knew there'd be a but/

I wrangle and rage politically with great enthusiasm ... it isn't like I'm going to have political power anyway ... and those who follow the forum for any time learn what my hobby-horses are and discount as they feel best.

I also dislike the grandiose political lie: you know: like global warming being proven to be caused by man (or even proven to be happening at all) ... the benign nature of homosexuality ... 911 conspiracies ... and those who make fun of those of us who wear conical aluminum headgear to protect ourselves from alien mind rays.

Things like that & people who shout at dogs and make them feel inferior.

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From: Nennius1 Feb-19 7:07 am
To: BeyondBabylon (16 of 49)

BB..you deviant devil of dark dangers..
Are you aware that you have a journalistic competitor...
Of course you do

Can you remember cutting and pasting this little extract(as above)

Quote
"You can take "opinions" as facts, and quote books of uninspired men, but the rest of us know better and go by THE BOOK.

Christian Zionists believe and support the fulfillment of the many prophecies that foretold the restoration of Jews from all over the world to the Promised Land of Israel.

Christian Zionists oppose those who would seek to undermine or destroy the Jewish Homeland for the myth of Palestine that is against the Word and Will of God.

Christian Zionists put many Jews and Israelis to shame, especially those who remain in a self-imposed exile contrary to the clear teachings of Judaism and those like Shimon Peres who are out in left field and would surrender Jerusalem to sworn enemies if the price is right."...end Quote

OF COURSE YOU CAN

AND BELOW..
This is a "DavidBenAriel" at the LibertyForum... thread is "Celtic-Israelite Commonalities"..Post 295265124.... http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php

Old Ben is stirring up trouble against the Irish of all people....and with the long discounted "10 Lost Tribes" introductionary initial posting narrative..I think that your group should be reprimanded for attempting to con the LF guys...Will you guys ever learn..You are supposed to be the superior peoples are you not..Give them some proof.

Old Ben(with conviction and cunning..sez) ..
"I'm sure there are Christian Zionist among the Cornish.

Christian Zionists believe and support the fulfillment of the many prophecies that foretold the restoration of Jews from all over the world to the Promised Land of Israel.

Christian Zionists oppose those who would seek to undermine or destroy the Jewish Homeland for the myth of Palestine that is against the Word and Will of God.

Christian Zionists put many Jews and Israelis to shame, especially those who remain in a self-imposed exile contrary to the clear teachings of Judaism and those like Shimon Peres who are out in left field and would surrender Jerusalem to sworn enemies if the price is right."

END OF PLAGIARISED WORK

Suggest you phone your lawyer and bring the plagiarism charge against..
"David Ben Ariel"...He uses the same links as you...tut tut

There is no truth in the rumour that the Brits has offered Ireland(N&S)to the Christian Zionists...Bono and the Rev Ian Paisley vetoed the bill....Tony Blair will be looking for a kibbutz next week..Do you want his phone number

See you and your mates(pathetic).......around..
Regards to Barabbas and Judas and Annas and Caphias

Goodnight and Good Luck

Nennius..
Ps...Do you know how much the American taxpayer had to fork out to those 8000 jews to get out of GAZA...Last offer on 13 June 2006 was US$320,000 EACH..Market value of existing homes averaged out to US$85,000...Tell that to the those poor black people down in New Orleans..Rumour has it... that is where the other half of the billions of dollars went....To the Gaza jews..

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Feb-19 6:20 pm ..
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (17 of 49) ..

your
Of course! When you can't stand the heat...we all know why you are blowing me off. BTW, "Barabbas" means "son of the father." I'm happy to be called a "Child of the Father" but I don't fit the qualifications for a son. ..
Hate to interrupt while you're talking to two blowhard idiots, but you have been adopted as a "son" with all the attended rights thereof.

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From: Nennius1 Feb-21 3:00 am
To: Jernigan (18 of 49)

Venue:- Sanhedrin..
Date:- 2007..
Trial:- A Christian in the Magicians den

Magic to Calhoun.
"I believe you will find that you have been a sloppy reader of many verses in the Bible. Instead of letting the Word speak for himself, you are letting "philosophers" you have read speak into or for it."

and then the hypocritical Freudian slip of the keyboard..
"Yes, I see it. I don't see how I can be both honest and pretend I don't know exactly what the Book has to say on virtually every significant issue. "

and still not seeing the keyboard error Magic sez..
"Had you the sense to approach me as a seeker rather than an "expert", you might learn something useful." Who is this braggart and vaunter "Magic"....Does (s)he strike you as a real follower of Jesus/Moses with this satanic,diabolical and unholy communicative flair for acknowledgment...That would be a explicit non.
Why would a "believer"(read covert operator) call 'itself' by a known Illuminatti philosophical image .."Magic"......Is '(s)he' or isn't '(s)he'...you decide.

then .
"You are ignorant of scripture, yet you feel you should be my teacher on the matter. Can't you see how absurd that is? "..
and then with a false sense of superior motive..
"As I often say, "Liberals are entitled to their own opinions; they are not entitled to their own facts."

This is the classical showdown that Jesus himself experienced when confronted in the Sanhedrin 1973 years ago....
This posting could not have been scripted any better if Matthew,Mark Luke and John were Conservative Worldview members..The very same trial by error and smear runs rampant in Magic's bursts of malicious,venomous and vitriolic vengeance...
In replying, AJCalhoun applies Jesus's first law of forgiveness..like a true spirited Christian .. Just a wonderful response that has the prophets and Jesus cheering in the aisle...Calhoun turns the other cheek and replies in a manner that probably is quite foreign to the Magician (and shakes the Devil Magic to its foundation)

"As for your certain knowlege that the Baptist and Jesus has all their differences worked out is remarkable. I feel as though I am in the very presence of the Master and Lord and have been set straight. Yes, I can see it now. You are Him aren't you, and I am one of the army of the Beast. I see. Well "all hail the pow'r of Jesus' name, let angels prostrate fall." I didn't recognize you at first. My bad. Finally, I did not come here as an "expert", but someone looking for discussion, not necessarily to learn a specific "truth" from you, but to find more truth in that Space Between us, that space where the holy spirit is born out of a relationship between two or more gathered in His name...not yours. Instead I found a poisoned river. I am sorry. Terribly, terribly sorry. I will excuse myself now and trouble you no more."
This manner of humanitarianism is EXACTLY what Jesus was/is attempting to instill into people...For it is righteous and it is virtuous...and it is good

This was from Magic to "Barabbas" in response to this writer(Nennius) and Jernigan discussing Barbara's qualifications..This is NOT the vocabulary of Jewish and Christian peoples.

"Hate to interrupt while you're talking to two blowhard idiots"

One will notice that none of these Christian Zionists/Zionists have really attempted to prove the writer wrong..There is two deliberate(simple) induced errors set within the text....yet the three sayanims[Magic..Barbara and BeyondBabylon] cannot pull them out into the open..Knowledge is their undoing .....obviously

Can you imagine Magic's response to this post..There can be a sincere apology to Calhoun...or an appeasement..or its going to get even better? by Magic's keyboard getting worse

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com

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From: Jernigan Feb-21 11:37 pm
To: Nennius1 (19 of 49)

I trust Magic and Calhoun are MORE than capable of stating their own positions

... neither require my aprobaton or applause ... and I don't need the grief of getting into THAT slanging match - I don't even really understand WHAT the source of contention is really about.

I have enough trouble just riding my own hobby horses ... so long as they stay away from the discouraging word about 'we who wear the aluminum cone for mental purity'

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From: JimmyLou Feb-24 2:04 am
To: BeyondBabylo unread (20 of 49)

Whether we're discussing ancient Israel or not, the fact remains that Israel was and is a legitimate state who's settlers legitimately settled in and around the Palestine region well after the Six-Day war where Israel decimated its Golithic Arab neighbors militaries.

Ironically, the illegitimate squatters are, and have been, the very exiled Arab refugees being told that Israel is occupying their land. Their is no, and never has been, a legitimate Paletine state which means there is no such thing as a Palestinian. These so-called Palestinians don't exist, and never have, despite what instigators like the late, great, and forever barbecuing Arab-exile Arafat espoused to them...

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-24 4:34 pm
To: Magic (MICHAEL4440) (21 of 49)

I don't have the right parts for a son :)

I am "Bat Zion" - a daughter of Zion :)


Edited 2/24/2007 11:35 am by Barbara (BARBARA3)

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Feb-25 3:33 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (22 of 49)

See Ephesians 1:4-5 and Galatians 3:26-29.
We have been adopted as sons, and there is neither Greek nor Jew, male nor female. We are all one in Messiah.


Magic.

"If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons."

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Feb-25 3:50 am ..
To: Magic (MICHAEL4440) (23 of 49) ..

Well...

While I agree in the spiritual aspects that we are all equal in Messiah, I believe that passage is a bit more complex, because we don't suddenly become sexless when coming to faith. We still have marriage between a man and a woman, we still have nationalities. Only women can give birth, only men can father.

So while we are united in faith, our faith is not separate from the physical. God chose to create the physical.

Thanks.

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Feb-25 4:35 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (24 of 49)

Merely stating your legal rights. You are adopted as a son, full inheritance, no difference in status. Also, you can disinherit a birth child, but not an adopted child. ..
Nothing sexual, asexual, physical, or even emotional intended.


Magic.

"If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons."

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From: Nennius1 Feb-25 6:11 am ..
To: JimmyLou (25 of 49) ..

Do you know how much the American taxpayer had to fork out to those 8000 jews to get out of GAZA...Last offer on 13 June 2006 was US$320,000 EACH..Market value of existing homes averaged out to US$85,000...Tell that to the those poor black people down in New Orleans..Rumour has it... that is where the other half of the billions of dollars went....To the Gaza jews ..

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From: JadeRebel Feb-25 3:44 pm
To: Nennius1 (26 of 49)

No American citizen likes foreign aid to anyone, including Louisiana.

Conservative Worldview


A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back...

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From: RayP24 Feb-25 9:08 am
To: BeyondBabylo (27 of 49)

It is no accident that the Jewish people have been hated thrue out there history.

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From: BeyondBabylo Feb-28 5:06 am
To: ALL (28 of 49)

Imagine -- God forbid -- Bush blathering we can no longer prevent illegal aliens from taking over the Southwest, so in order to have "peace" with Mexico, we must expel the law-abiding and productive Americans living there and surrender their homes and property and businesses to Mexicans before they start terrorizing the rest of the United States to create their new homeland called Atzlan. After all, we seized those territories with superior force and must now return them to right an alleged wrong. Don't be surprised if our government rewards illegal immigration and the madness goes that far, as part of the curse we're suffering for disobedience to our Great Creator God (Deut. 28:43, Dan. 9:11).

Don't Expel Jews from Gaza!

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From: Nennius1 Mar-3 6:42 am
To: JadeRebel (29 of 49)

"No American citizen likes foreign aid to anyone, including Louisiana"

Especiallly those 37 million below the poverty line.(today's figure)
I suspect you are of the opinion that that "aid" is out of the goodness of the American Governments heart without any strings attached..America has SURVIVED ONLY because of that aid..Welcome to the real world..Your "Capitalism"(Jewish Usuary) has broken the back(bank)of the once proud USA...ask the rest of the World yourself

I think it was Britney Spears who once said... " Yes I like going overseas especially to Canada"....Your comment can be similarly classified as Oooops I did it again:-))..Foreign aid to Louisiana??

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From: Nennius1 Mar-3 7:02 am
To: BeyondBabylo unread (30 of 49)

BB

Dig out the George Patton books from the library or read on line.
You will find that after World War 2(Patton was in charge),the Jews of Europe compelled the US Government to throw millions of Germans out of their homes so that they the Jews could live in them(which they did)...
Patton hated the Jews with a vengeance and attempted to bring the Germans and their Army back to the brilliant fighting force(his words)it was once in order to stop the Communists and Jews from Russia taking over Hungary,Poland etc.
Patton quit and a month later he was dead.
You really should read his letters to his wife and his dairies and only then you will have your answers.

You have the very same happening now with Mexico...Look no further than your Zionist Jewish friends for the planned cause.
Quoting the Bible will not solve this problem.. For Jesus did not promise you material riches..Act like a Christian and find a solution and stop complaining


From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-3 6:28 pm
To: Nennius1 (31 of 49)

I take it you are not a Christian?

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From: Nennius1 Mar-4 6:04 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (32 of 49)

You take it quite accidently..Read my posts and the number 156 will take your attention..ARAB-RAB..You really are backward you know.
Why would you take a Shiite name Barbara???

nennius
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-4 4:42 pm
To: Nennius1 (33 of 49)

Ah, so basically, you are here to insult, ridicule and cause trouble for those of us who love the G-d of Israel :)

Got it.

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-4 4:42 pm
To: Spring is Coming (Shamrock1971) (34 of 49)

You might wanna read post #32 in this thread.

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From: Nennius1 Mar-13 11:45 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (35 of 49)

I said this
"Why would you take a Shiite name "Barbara"???"

Then you say this
".....you are here to insult, ridicule..et al"

Now look at those two sentences and ask yourself WHO is showing
"insult" and "ridicule".. Hypocracy of the First Order to a Semitic Shiite

You being a Talmudian Zionist 'Jew'...aka Pharisitic,should be remindful that you do not HAVE a G_d anymore..You forfeited your right to goodness and truth,the day you visited the taverns and whorehouses of Sodom,Gomorrah,Hollywood/Vine and Tel Aviv...Now make yourself comfy and learn something..




Remember[NEVER FORGET] that the "Jews" were non-existant in that name until 1775AD with the amendment to first English translations( The Wiclif) in the 14th century which was finally completed in the KJV of 1516AD*** ...It is an English description of those that opposed and eventually crucified Jesus ..Google it and find out yourself if you are an unbeliever...At that time no cult or sect existed by such a name ..."jew"
Furthermore..Shakespeare wrote in the Merchant of Venice....(SHYLOCK.)... "What is the reason? I am a Iewe, hath not a Iewe eyes?" ..and that was the about the time the KJB was originally published.

From the 4th century Vulgate Latin "Iudaeus" and the Greek "Ioudaios" to the 18th century, English "jew" included called successively: "Gyu", "Giu", "Iu", "Iuu", "Ieuy", "Iuw", "Ieuu", "Iwe", "low", "Iewe", "Ive","Ieue", "Iue", "", "lew", and eventually in 1775, "Jew".
The earlier English translations for through 400AD were "Giwis", "Giws", "Geus", "Gyues", "Gywes", "Giwes", "Iuys", "Iows", "Iouis", "Iews", and then also finally in the 18th century, "Jews"...Old English to (say)Victorian English
As a sidebar and possibly extremely interesting...During the initial battles in 354AD between the invading Germanic AngloSaxons(the "English") and the Britons of Britain(the Welsh)...The Kymru(Welsh) of the mid 4th century actually referred to the English marauders as the Giwis or Gyues...Now that is quite an interesting snippet of Dark Age historical fact.

The people that killed Jesus were not the "Judeans" that follow the "Torath Yahve"(Torah)..but the Pharisees..aka Talmudic Zionists in todays's descriptive..So now you can see the rationale why some "Jews" cannot stand Zionists and the Talmudic Text of Hate and Incest (3 years and 1 day indeed).... Explain that to this Christian(to 156AD) please

The Judeans practiced "Judaism"..a word that the traitor Flavius Josephus provide to the Romans to distinguish it with Christianity and eventually Islam....Todays Zionist practices Pharisaism...the constantly rabbinical modified 'Babylonian' Talmud...Those that attempt to weld Talmud and Judaism together only invites scorn and the label "thief"... It is those Talmudic practices and the 63 Books(and increasing) that is the reason for your being thrown out of every country in the World....not the Torah abiding Jews..Yet the Torahical people have suffered these last two thousand years due to your genetic sickness. You are caught in the process of stealing the Judeans religious philosophy and using it for political and territorial gain

Your "class" is now on the skids of time..Your "time" is nigh..Your visibility is at a maximum..Your have overstepped the covertness that Herzl was so concerned about..You are naked...Just as Jesus was when the Pharisees put him on THAT cross.

Just for the record..assuming of course that you linguistic gene in in gear....the Vulgate Latin and Greek translation on THAT cross was... "Jesus the Nazarene Ruler of the Judeans" AND NOT "Jesus..King of the Jews"....again I suggest you do some research and try to keep an open mind as the truth is hestitant when fronted with a closed door....It is you that will be aggravated if the truth slaps you on the cheek and you just get annoyed with it..

The Russian people have been quite informative over the last 17 years and thanks to them the US of A will survive anything that you will be permitted to throw at them..from here in.....Putin is always on the phone apparently

Without malice or intent to injure...of course

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com
Edited 3/19/2007 11:36 pm by Nennius1

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From: Barbara (BARBARA3) Mar-13 11:47 pm
To: Nennius1 (36 of 49)

I always put Jew haters like you on ignore. Please don't waste any more time posting to me.

I'm not sure why you hate Jews, but you may want to remember you equate the Jewish Jesus with that hatred.

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[1..That took an extremely long time to get that "Jew Haters" tag]
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From: JadeRebel Mar-14 11:36 pm
To: Nennius1 (37 of 49)

With tongue firmly in cheek I did metaphor those in NO[New Orleans]. However, foreign aid to other countries is not in our best interest as the pols claim. You can not buy good will, but you can buy deep resentment with patronizing American money.

And when the state attempts to use MY money to create land out of the depths of the seas, that does constitute 'foreign aid'.

Conservative Worldview

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From: Nennius1 Mar-15 3:46 am
To: JadeRebel (38 of 49)

Agree somewhat
Where would the US of A be today IF THEY HAD NOT provided the victors "Britain" with the cash to buy the US of A's tanks and other weapons of destruction...and then after the war lend money to any European country and the Soviet Union that was prepared to pay the going interest rate..
Where would they be today if they had not "bribed" the best Engineers,Physicists and Scientists that Britain, Italy and Germany had
after BOTH WARS(My uncle was one of them)...Maybe we should look at the "Pork" that slithers down those Congressional steps to Companies that are NOT EVEN American.......I regret deeply that the USA is now but a shadow of itself....It started in Vietnam and it is still suffering the decline into a police state..
Save your country..then save your faith...For you need both to save its people..Its all in the History books

I could go on and on here ,but I must take "Barabas"(Babs) to task for trying to tell me that Jesus was a Jew indeed...
I know exactly what is going through your mind at this very instant JR...and that is why I will not fall into a "Daisy II"
What you have on your forum is a group of 'sayanims' ..There are 4-5 that uses the same computer..(maybe two computers in the same room)
I believe this is your site JR..If so, look at your stats and research the IP's of email addresses and connection passages.
They do not appear to be very effective.. after my "machine" reading of over 1400 of the messages from different catergories

Your.."...create land out of the depths of the seas"
Are you talking about New Orleans...The Alaskan Bridge to Nowhere ....or Atlantis :-))

Nennius
Ps Tell 'Barabas' that my brother-in-law is a nice Yiddish guy...and I love the kid like my own...That is the difference between so many Christians on your site and those(Babs and Covertees) that are attempting to subvert and take advantage of the compassion, truth and love that is inherent in the name ...."Jesus"

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:21 am
To: Nennius1 (39 of 49)

It was the Lend/Lease program which enabled England to 'buy' our military equipment. A program which I only just discovered a few months ago involved England surrendering every national treasure it owned with the exception of the Crown Jewels. We also extracted a heavy price for our munitions from other nations.

Here I thought we were helping the oppressed fight off the forces of an evil unparalleled in the annals of history. Instead I learned our government bled them dry. I am not so sure I approved.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:27 am
To: Nennius1 (40 of 49)

And the fact that we boded no expense in attaining the greatest minds of the day, it was certainly not a philanthropic endeavor. The 'leaders' were looking to increase their own fortunes, be it financial and/or presumption of prestige in attaining power in the worlds mightiest nation. The American people would be the leaders of the world in all aspects of society if we removed all pols and had lay person in office only.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:32 am
To: Nennius1 (41 of 49)

If Jesus was not a Jew, what in the devil was he. A Cheesehead.

As for the members of the forum, I take great pride in allowing everyone to express their individual views. I have learned much over the years from engaging others, and I enjoy it. There are posters here with whom I vehemently disagree. But I find myself endeared to them all. That is what makes MY day much brighter than sitting here all alone condescending to suffer them.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: Nennius1 Mar-15 8:21 am
To: Barbara (BARBARA3) (42 of 49)


Babs

"Jew Haters"
You mean the Jew Hates me??..Me..me a G_d fearing Christian....Jesus taught me to NEVER HATE ANYONE..and I trust his word because I read his book...But is that really your conclusion.??????
You.....you anti-semite :-)

Are you one of the 90%+ Ashkenazi(East European) or Sephardic(Judean) or Ultra Orthodox or just a Gadna...Have a look in your Teudat Zehut....
I am Christian(up to 156AD)
Why is it so differcult for your "creed"(Religion uncertain) to think up a geniune rebuttal of that which is angering you..If you can convince this writer that my facts are wrong..then strength to you Bro..


If you cannot use the rabbinical method of reversable charge and countercharge then do what you have been taught to do...give it to someone else to argue for you..Talmudical at 14 years old..

Now less of the silly and quite juvenile slurs and name calling my dear friendly Zionist and get one of those 63 Books out and find out your position in argument when you are confronted by the details of FACTS..It is all there.
And then be prepared for a lengthy rebuttal...You can be the Devil's Advocate if you prefer :-))

Nennius

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From: Nennius1 Mar-15 11:36 am
To: JadeRebel (43 of 49)

JR

your
".....which enabled England to 'buy' our military equipment...et al"

You mean Britain of course..The Brits Forces at that time,by percentage ratio of country,was composed of 20% Irish..30% Scottish..30% Welsh and 20% English ..but obviously the bulk were English and from Commonwealth Countries.


your
"...If Jesus was not a Jew, what in the devil was he. A Cheesehead..et al."

See my post to Babs... re the origin of the word "Jew"...The facts of that post always brings out the anger that flushes through the veins of every Talmudic believer..The TRUTH really does hurt at times and I fully understand that emotional collapse..

As already said...Ashkenazim Jews represents over 90% of all jews in the world today and none of them or their descendants are from the Holy Land..They are/were,principally, from(as you should know) Russia-Ukraine-Poland and Germany . However, the Sephardics Jews ARE from Caanan,yet they are regarded today by the Ashkenazi Zionists Jews as part of the lower class in the Holy Land(Canaan)...
In Israel today, an Ashkenazim marrying a Sephardic is frowned upon....Google this.and relate

NEVER FORGET..(Just remember) that this word "Jew" was ORIGINALLY applied by the Brits in the 18th century in the English language in their Revised KJV Bible Texts and Encyclopedias and there were NO Sephardic Judeans in Britain and/or Europe...
The Brits applied it ONLY to Eastern Europeans that had taken the faith of Judiasm in the 8th century as a political move so that the King of the Khazars would not anger the many Muslim and Christian peoples of that period ..He brought many Rabbis from Mesopotamia for the purpose of religious education.

Yet the Brits were totally aware in the 18th century that Palestinians and JUDEANS lived and worked side by side in what was called Palestine..There were no "Jews" in Palestine in the 18th century...Google this.and relate it to the 18th century

So if one wants to assume by default of convenience but lacking in Religious and Historical Truth and accuracy that Jesus was also an Ashkenazi and thereby a "Jew"..then one should heed the warnings of Matthew...
This is one of the biggest mistakes that Evangelical Christians are making today....They are supporting the "wrong jew crowd"

Jesus was a Judean and studied the Torah...Jesus was not a Jew for they studied the Talmud
Semantics..I really do not think so..He that says so,is afraid of the implications in todays world..Truth can be subjected to euthanasia..but one cannot kill it.
There should be NO AFFECT on a person's religious belief, for the only mistake that they may have made is that they got off the bus at the wrong stop....and now the hard slog in walking home...But the Lord will guide those footsteps this time.

This simple fact of truth in historical revisionism is understandable extremely differcult to live with or digest...It does not however excuse us from seeking that Truth..
Honesty is Truth..Truth is the Lord ..is it not
The most worrying aspect of all this "functioning religious" allegiance to Israel is that the brainwashing is complete and has to be leached from the mindset...That could be quite unmanageable .
Maybe a thousand Psychologists and Psychopharmacologists could work out a solution:-)

your
" A program which I only just discovered a few months ago involved England surrendering every national treasure it owned with the exception of the Crown Jewels"

You mean "Britain" of course" :-))
That is what I refer to when I said "Where would they be today if they had not "bribed" the best Engineers,Physicists and Scientists that Britain, Italy and Germany had after BOTH WARS(My uncle was one of them)..." Treasure trove of Humanity and Technology

My uncle had told my dad that 227 Engineers and Scientists and Physicists were being put on a plane and being shipped to the USA for 1 to 2 years (with all the Atomic Bomb secrets)as per agreement of 19th March 1941...signed by Winston Churchill...
They were paid 60% of their US colleges salaries ..The remaining 40% was to be deducted from the outstanding balance of the IOU...The British Empire collapsed immediately...The British Public found out about the selling out of the Country and kicked Churchill out after the war was over.

Bush may be your worst President ever...Churchill was most certainly ours...and the Kurds(gassings) and residents of Dresden(incendiary bombing)can confirm this

your
"Here I thought we were helping the oppressed fight off the forces of an evil unparalleled in the annals of history. Instead I learned our government bled them dry. I am not so sure I approved. "

Victors should never be allowed to write the Historical accounts of their conflicts...just as Presidents should never be allowed Libraries:-))...Apparently Mr Bush has "saved" over $0.5 Billion already..Now how the hell did he come into that type of cashflow...Guess

your
"The American people would be the leaders of the world in all aspects of society if we removed all pols and had lay person in office only."

Wishful thinking dear JR..The same could be said for Britain Germany ,while Russia today,believe it or not has more freedom for her citizens than the Brits,Yanks or the Huns..Differcult seed to swallow but it is the truth
Why....because they got rid of their Ashkenazi's ..What the US did to Britain..the Russians and Chinese are doing to the US of Pay...It think its called $Friendly Fire$..:-))

Take care

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com
Edited 3/15/2007 6:40 am by Nennius1

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From: JadeRebel Mar-15 4:47 pm
To: Nennius1 (44 of 49)

Geneologica semantics are a good subject for discussion, but they hardly reflect reality. Christ was a Jew born to Jewish parents. Not that it matters beyond the need to fulfil the prophetic aspects of his mission, he could have been born a loony hippie and remained the ranson paid for our souls.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: Nennius1 Mar-19 7:13 am
To: JadeRebel (45 of 49)

"Geneologica semantics".
Your reply appears so curt and casual as to wonder if your apprehensiveness to discuss is one of limited knowledge on the investigative subject of religious truth..The tools are there for all to use

Indeed, your assertion that Jesus is of the same "breed" as the Ashkenazim is quite unforgivable..There "lies" your conflict..The Ashkenazis were a murderous tribe from the Khazarian area of Ukraine, Russia and Poland .....and I know YOU know that
Come to grips with it now, for you will knowingly corrupt that which is the truth for your children and your children's children..

Totally agree with the "hippy" Jesus scenario..You are however, completely missing the dire warnings of Matthew in his "disguise" innuendos.

Lets recap
Jesus was a Judean born to Judian parents who lived in Judea ..Jesus was taught Judaism

The Hebrew word for Spain is "Sephardim" ...The Hebrew word for Germany.is Ashkenazim"
Ashkenazim Jews(the vast majority of Jews) are from Germany and France .and have no religious connection whatsoever with the Biblical Ashenazi..
Sephardim Jews are from Portugal and Spain... and the Mizrachim are of Northern African and the Middle Eastern decent..Both are of
the Sephardic tribe

For your spiritual proposition to stand the historical test of time and truth ,then there is a need to disassociate the "Ashkenazim" from the "Jew" peg and then you can call Jesus a jew...or specifically differentiate the meaning of "Judean" and "Jew"..You perpetuate the lie by ignoring the facts on the ground ..Possibly because it may mean upsetting the local Pastor and/or having to perform a minor rewrite of the KJB

I notice that you cannot seem to expand on or clarify the originality of the term "Jew"...Let me know when you are able to present an argument and not 18th century Zionist rhetoric...By using the correct interpretation of that which is staring people in the face...the Christian peoples have nothing whatsoever to trouble themselves with, if they really are of the Christian spirit...only to forgive those that has trespassed.."the Jews"

And what may be the cause of all this conflict today you may ask......GOOGLE ...
The teachers of the past have been passing down their interpretation of what they have been taught by other teachers who...et al... etc..etc
Now, the man in the street can access all that man requires to feel inwardly comfortable with truth and that it may have some semblance of truth with what the historical archivist's treasures hold..

With that firmly in mind, can I assume that you understand the rationale for the plundering,stealing and destruction of the Iraqis Museums in the first 3 weeks of GW2 in 2003...and not by American Troops either, but people who fully comprehended the importance of ancient manuscripts and artifacts and how they really reflect on the three religions of today..Christianity Judaism and Islam..

Are you prepared to make this a two-way conversation..Yes or No

Nennius
troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com

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From: Magic (MICHAEL4440) Mar-19 7:50 am
To: Nennius1 (46 of 49)

I think Ninny is spelled with an "i", not an "e".
OTH, calling yourself some form of ninny opens you to charges of delusions of grandeur


Magic

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From: JadeRebel 1:01 am
To: Nennius1 (47 of 49)

My understanding of the designation of "jew'' is the same as the bible. The descendants of Adam and Eve to the savior. Easy peasie when one is not promoting an agenda.

Conservative Worldview

A liberal is the person who will give you the shirt off of someone else's back.

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From: Nennius1 4:58 am
To: Magic (MICHAEL4440) unread (48 of 49)

The Magician pops up...good

Now your first reply is in order ...."Zionist Rule #1".
Hope to G_d that "Zionist Rule #2" is much smarter....else back to the "3 years plus a day" Talmud.

You have just THREE attempts at smearing etc....You do know that I hope.

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com..
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From: Nennius1 6:40 am
To: JadeRebel unread (49 of 49)

Why this feebleness in entering a discussion that cannot/will not compromise the good word of the Christine Bible..What worries you JR..
The Bible that you refer to was amended specifically to include the "Jew" word in the 18th century...I can understand your shock at this sudden exposure to historical fact..But truth must be orderly else the young will never learn the truth about Jesus..The Christian faith is safe...
Sift it over many times in your mind and ensure that you can be comfortable with it...else throw it out....
Google and more Google, for this is an important milestone intrusion into your and many others religious beliefs..
KJB and the word "Jew"

John did not put it there..
Mark did not put it there..
Matthew did not put it there..
Luke did not put it there...

Neither did ...Augustine....Bede....Caradoc....Linus....King Henry the 4th,7th or 8th(16th century KJB financiers)....Richard III...Moses... David.. Solomon...Rabbi Bernstein... Canute.... Beowulf....King Alfred...Luther....Hengist.... Gildas ...Josephus.... Bran......or any of the historical Popes...
The outcast and lonely Ashkenazis of the 18th century put it there, so as to fraudulently associate themselves with what they knew were the people of Israel..
They did not do it from ignorance..They fully understood the Talmud better than any other ..
Ask yourself the question...Why did so many Teutonic devout Brits and Germans of the Christian faith leave to find a new beginning in the Americas in the 17th and 18th centuries.....King George was mad??...I don't think so...
I can fully understand and agree with your apprehension in seeing the KVB revised...For they would not be able to resist the introduction of "Religious PorkBarrel" into that Holy Book

If you ever get the opportunity to read the translations of the 'real' Scrolls of Quran you will be even prouder in spirit and faith..Most "Jews" avoid that opportunity as small fragments confirms most of what has been said about the prophets and Jesus...Ever wondered why Hollywood or ANY other major main stream Producer or Director has never made a movie about those scrolls..Spielberg wanted too, but it took THREE Rabbis to convince him otherwise.

Quote..
[..."This author has not been able to locate any written or recorded sources utilizing the term ;Judeo-Christianity,prior to 1940 the term itself seems to be a modern invention and one forced on Christians via the media and Jewish influence. Abe Foxman, Director of the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish Supremacist organization, reinforces this fact in his propaganda laced diatribe Never Again, when he reveals on page 146 that he got Jerry Falwell, a well known Christian evangelist to agree to use the term ; Judeo-Christian, rather than the exclusive; "Christian", when referring to the foundation of the United States of America, i.e. This is a Christian Nation.".............Chris Womak ..who has a blogspot site...http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/]

quote
..."Jews fall into two main groups, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardic, who were once located in Spain and Portugal. Daniel Elazar at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs wrote that at the end of the 11th Century, 97% of Jews were Sephardic, but the ratio changed dramatically over the centuries and by 1931 Ashkenazi Jews accounted for nearly 92 per cent of world Jewry.

Today the Ashkenazim utterly dominate Israel society both in numbers and control. Jewish organizations like the Anti Defamation League (ADL) constantly target others for 'racism' when Israel is a strictly and fiercely hierarchical society based on race, even among the Jews. The Ashkenazi are at the top, of course, followed by the Sephardic, and, irony of irony, then come the Mizrahi Jews, who descend from the Jewish communities of the Middle East. At the bottom of the pile are the black Ethiopian Jews who have long complained of blatant racism. Underneath all of them come the Palestinian Arabs."...David Icke...]


Without malice or intent to injure

Nennius

troedyrhiw-greenmeadow.blogspot.com


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